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ChaozFilms

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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying too much TALENT is a bad thing. But maybe too much leadership is? I mean, I can see it being harmful in two ways. Egos flare and pieces disband from a team or everything works out for a year or two and then you're left replacing your important parts from scratch. I say this because it looks like we'll be having two starting QB's (Harrington/Culpepper), we have 3 HC's (Saban/Mularkey/Capers), and 2 starting RB's (Williams/Brown)...if you look at good teams like the (*gulp*) patsies they have depth at each position but only one true starter at most positions...Bill, Brady, Dillon, etc...is it just me or does it seem like garnering all these team "leaders" will work out fine in the start but will only be a pressure cooker ready to blow in the near future?
 
I think when you examine the team more closely, you'll see that Saban is acquiring a lot of talent, but this team is still short on proven leaders. On offense, Culpepper will be the unquestioned leader. Ricky has never proven to be a capable or willing leader, and Brown doesn't have that type of personality. Neither Chambers or Booker have ever stepped into leadership roles. The only other possilbe leader we have on offense is McMichael, and he needs to step up his play before being an example to others.

On defense, we have some good leaders in Thomas, Taylor, Carter, Holliday, and Traylor, but it's good to have all of those guys to mentor all of the young talent we've added on the front seven. In the secondary, we're going to have a bunch of new starters. Hopefully a leader will emerge.
 
"I dont want a leader to herd the lambs, I want wolves. Wolves work together as a pack, but are driven by a single purpose..."
-Saban

And I completely agree. There may be a lot of good depth, but everyone that saban has on the team just wants to win. I doubt there will be a problem...Unless the losses start to pile up. Then the egos start to take over. Once that happens it takes a tough loss to band back together and remeber that football is the ultimate team sport in the world.
 
leadership vs experience

I think your concerns would be more applicable here if we were talking about people who had a long history of success in the NFL. The fact is that almost all of the factors you mentioned are still digesting their 'Humble Pie & Crow' dinner they were just served.

Saban and Ronnie Brown are both rookies coming off a successful start. Nick is in charge and has demonstrated that he has a plan that works. Brown has shown he is willing to learn, and doesn't feel threatened by Ricky.

All the others bring valuable experience. I don't think; however, that any of them are in a position to create a power struggle.

I think we are in good shape.
 
hdjetta6316 said:
"I dont want a leader to herd the lambs, I want wolves. Wolves work together as a pack, but are driven by a single purpose..."
-Saban

And I completely agree. There may be a lot of good depth, but everyone that saban has on the team just wants to win. I doubt there will be a problem...Unless the losses start to pile up. Then the egos start to take over. Once that happens it takes a tough loss to band back together and remeber that football is the ultimate team sport in the world.
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I agree...I think all these 'leaders' that you are worried about are all hungry for wins that none have asof yet achieved. Plus, you know Saban is the unquestioned leader of all facets of the team...Once your fighting for wins, and everyone understands themselves to be a team to achieve those ends, everyone does their own part.
 
ChaozFilms said:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying too much TALENT is a bad thing. But maybe too much leadership is? I mean, I can see it being harmful in two ways. Egos flare and pieces disband from a team or everything works out for a year or two and then you're left replacing your important parts from scratch. I say this because it looks like we'll be having two starting QB's (Harrington/Culpepper), we have 3 HC's (Saban/Mularkey/Capers), and 2 starting RB's (Williams/Brown)...if you look at good teams like the (*gulp*) patsies they have depth at each position but only one true starter at most positions...Bill, Brady, Dillon, etc...is it just me or does it seem like garnering all these team "leaders" will work out fine in the start but will only be a pressure cooker ready to blow in the near future?
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I think your picture of a "leader" is skewed. It takes a leader to know when to follow. How well our players know and develop into their role on the team will determine how this comes together...if you look at the Pasties, they have/have had a lot of leaders...Brown, Brady, Givens, Dillon, McGinnest, Bruschi, Johnson, Seymour, Law, Milloy...all those guys are/were leaders for that team but knew when to lead and when to follow...another great example was Bledsoe...if there had been disharmony between he and Brady, no way they win that first SB ?? You don't have to worry about too many leaders, just about which direction they are headed...That is Saban' s job....
 
Yeah, I know what you guys are saying. Obviously they're here because they want to win and that's the ultimate goal. But what if we win a lot...say Super Bowl or two in the next few years. All of a sudden Culpepper wants more money, Harrington wants to start somewhere else, Ronnie and Ricky shouldn't be a problem because by then Ricky will probably be gone, but Mularkey and Capers may take up Head Coaching gigs again...we could be left with a lot of holes...I mean, we see this happen sometimes in the league.
 
Well, there is a saying..."to many Chiefs, not enough Indians" so yes, if you have to many folks acting as leaders, but not saying the same message, or causing splits among the locker room on who should be followed....that indeed can be a bad thing.

Do I think that problem exists on this team? NO!
 
Also i think the hardest thing for the players to do last year was to buy into the system. I started reading saban's book last week and i think i'm starting to see his point. It doesn't matter if you are down by 20 or up by 24; You should play with the exact amount of effort and execution on every single play.

The scoreboard doesn't matter.
The clock Doesn't matter.
And your record doesn't matter.

The only thing constant should be your effort and execution. The wins will come when your execution is good.

It's this mindset that makes a dangerous team. A team that no matter what happens they won't give up.

I remeber after the patriots game saban was almost livid. Mostly because the pats put their back-ups in and instead of whipping them good our starters played down to their level. He said the effort decreased and naturally the game got a lot tighter.

He wants players that dont quit. He wants players that scare other teams. He wants players that will give 100% when there is no chance to win.
He wants players that are hungry...And Hungry men don't require leaders to get them to food...
 
ChaozFilms said:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying too much TALENT is a bad thing. But maybe too much leadership is? I mean, I can see it being harmful in two ways. Egos flare and pieces disband from a team or everything works out for a year or two and then you're left replacing your important parts from scratch. I say this because it looks like we'll be having two starting QB's (Harrington/Culpepper), we have 3 HC's (Saban/Mularkey/Capers), and 2 starting RB's (Williams/Brown)...if you look at good teams like the (*gulp*) patsies they have depth at each position but only one true starter at most positions...Bill, Brady, Dillon, etc...is it just me or does it seem like garnering all these team "leaders" will work out fine in the start but will only be a pressure cooker ready to blow in the near future?
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I really disagree with this, you have an offensive leader, a defensive leader and a HC with respect to the coaches. I have not seen any indication of anything else. I am confident Mularkey and Capers knew what they were getting into with Saban. He is the man and they knew that coming into this.

Harrington as a leader?? I don't see it. I would be concerned if we were counting on him being a leader. It's just not there.

Ego problems between Williams and Brown. No evidence of a problem yet, so why try to create one??? This thread is not without merit, I just don't see the problem.
 
Probably already been said here in different ways, but as long as Saban can get everyone headed in the same (right) direction, it doesn't matter how many leaders there are. And I don't see anyone who he's signed that would be (or at least would be allowed to be) a disruptive force in the lockerroom.
 
As long as all the leadership combines so that each leader has each other's backs and they don't dessent from one another then its not a problem (ie: Patriots, St Louis Cardinals, Miami Heat). Too much "ego", now thats a different story (ie: NY Knicks)
 
ChaozFilms said:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying too much TALENT is a bad thing. But maybe too much leadership is? I mean, I can see it being harmful in two ways. Egos flare and pieces disband from a team or everything works out for a year or two and then you're left replacing your important parts from scratch. I say this because it looks like we'll be having two starting QB's (Harrington/Culpepper), we have 3 HC's (Saban/Mularkey/Capers), and 2 starting RB's (Williams/Brown)...if you look at good teams like the (*gulp*) patsies they have depth at each position but only one true starter at most positions...Bill, Brady, Dillon, etc...is it just me or does it seem like garnering all these team "leaders" will work out fine in the start but will only be a pressure cooker ready to blow in the near future?
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In this day and age of free agency, you are always left replacing pieces so that is not much of an issue. As far as leadership, as long as everyone knows and accepts their roles, there should not be a problem.

"Lead...follow...or get the hell out of the way."
 
Can't ever have "too much leadership", there's no such thing! Aside from which, Saban is the only real leader on this team.

In Saban We Trust!
 
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