VAFinsfan72
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I agree, it makes no sense to just give him away. If were a train wreck then trade him at the deadline. Its probably his last year with the Dolphins so he will just have to suck it up and deal with it.
Trade Hill?
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The continuing annoyances. That fact that we need so much help on both sides of the lines. His age. His contract.
I wholeheartedly think the guy can still be a stud but weighing the pros & cons I’d fight like hell for a trade partner.
I wholeheartedly think the guy can still be a stud but weighing the pros & cons I’d fight like hell for a trade partner.
He's gone next year anyways....so what if you get a 4th, you free up cap for next year on a guy who has had several outbursts in public, at the marina, with five-o, quit on team and refused to play as a team captain...get rid of his ass and move forward without this declining diva.
It was fun having him until it wasn't.
It was fun having him until it wasn't.
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I’d take one above average LG.
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Right. Have to factor in the salary cap repercussions.
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Isn’t your last paragraph the game plan against hill and waddle?
As much as some on here bitched about MM not adjusting, he did. He took the underneath routes, and then they complained he was dinking and dunking.
We were dinking and dunking because of the game plan against our deep threats. That’s hill.
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I think its a complicated answer but I am looking forward to the day he's no longer a Dolphins...he's exhausting.
There is still plenty of off-season left. If by some chance, Miami played this whole things immaculately and draft 2 or 3 starters and then actually signs some FA's that have some credibility and all of a sudden the roster doesn't look one waiting to die, fine, keep him and lets go to war. Then, if things dont go well early, you can trade him before the deadline if you get a good enough offer.
If Miami wants to slow play this and is quietly treating 2025 like a rebuild of the defense and re-tool of the offense/identity shift, then why not trade him to the highest bidder(as long as its not total ****). If there really is no push to win this year, why keep a headache like that? Adjustments would have to be made but its a step in the direction this team SHOULD be going. A commitment to the run game and a diverse passing attack with weapons of different kinds. Not to mention the headache its become dealing with him. I keep saying, if that dude is supposed to be a leader on your team, youre already off to a terrible start. He is not a leader, in any fashion of the word. Not the identity I'd want as a team or the kind of guy I would respect as a teammate.
There is still plenty of off-season left. If by some chance, Miami played this whole things immaculately and draft 2 or 3 starters and then actually signs some FA's that have some credibility and all of a sudden the roster doesn't look one waiting to die, fine, keep him and lets go to war. Then, if things dont go well early, you can trade him before the deadline if you get a good enough offer.
If Miami wants to slow play this and is quietly treating 2025 like a rebuild of the defense and re-tool of the offense/identity shift, then why not trade him to the highest bidder(as long as its not total ****). If there really is no push to win this year, why keep a headache like that? Adjustments would have to be made but its a step in the direction this team SHOULD be going. A commitment to the run game and a diverse passing attack with weapons of different kinds. Not to mention the headache its become dealing with him. I keep saying, if that dude is supposed to be a leader on your team, youre already off to a terrible start. He is not a leader, in any fashion of the word. Not the identity I'd want as a team or the kind of guy I would respect as a teammate.
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Whoa whoa whoaaa...defenses were ONLY gameplanning for Hill.
The offense failed last year because they sat deeper against Miami than other teams and in order to beat that, Miami needed to run the ball consistently, but with bad Guard and Y-TE play, they couldnt. Teams could stop the run well enough without any extra attention or Safety's brought up. On top of that, Austin Jackson goes down and it got even worse. So pass protection suffered as well which doesn't even give Tua the time to hit the back foot and hitch up to launch to Tyreek. Tyreek faces 2 high all the time...every game...and they beat it plenty the year before...the issue is the depth. Making the opponents safety's respect and have to be apart of the run game is the vital part to getting over the top.
Not how cap hits and trades work. Miami pays his guaranteed money leaving the new team with i believe only his base salary which is 10 million and 29 million next year. Not sure exactly on the new team hit but it’s significantly less that what he’s on our books for.I’d say even 1 year at 10 million is worth a 2nd from a contender but even at 29 million next year, it’s not awful. In any event they can cut him with no dead cap in year 2 which is what makes it nice if they just want a one year rental. Considering chase just got paid 40 million maybe 29 for tyreek is a steal if last year was just a result of his wrist injury and lack of Tua.
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Crushed this post, absolutely nailed it.
Miami couldn’t run on light boxes so teams played safeties and backers deeper than normal. Had Miami been able to run an grab 4-5 yards on the light boxes the long ball would have been just as open as it was in previous years. You can’t play two deep and effectively stop the run if you have semi competent run game. Fortunately for the defenses Miami’s run game resulted in 28% of carries going for negative yards
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I'd like to think even if the defense is super young and there are some "try out" pieces playing bigger roles than you'd like(at least in my eyes), I fully expect a major bounce back from the offense. If not, MM may be a one trick pony fraud(I dont think that's the case)Crushed this post, absolutely nailed it.
Miami couldn’t run on light boxes so teams played safeties and backers deeper than normal. Had Miami been able to run an grab 4-5 yards on the light boxes the long ball would have been just as open as it was in previous years. You can play two deep and effectively stop the run if you have semi competent run game. Fortunately for the defenses Miami’s run game resulted in 28% of carries going for negative yards
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Yes and no.
That's Hill, that's Waddle, that's Achane etc. it wasn't Hill exclusive.
If Hill was not on the team this year, the defenses would most likely defend Miami the same way. It wasn't because of Hill, it was because our tendency to thrive on the intermediate, middle of the field plays.
Crushed this post, absolutely nailed it.
Miami couldn’t run on light boxes so teams played safeties and backers deeper than normal. Had Miami been able to run an grab 4-5 yards on the light boxes the long ball would have been just as open as it was in previous years. You can’t play two deep and effectively stop the run if you have semi competent run game. Fortunately for the defenses Miami’s run game resulted in 28% of carries going for negative yards
Right.
So it wasn't the game plan against Hill. It was not exclusive to Hill.
Had Miami been able to run effectively, the defenses would not be able to play that way against us. So it's more the inability to not be able to run.
If you're game planning against a player, the reasoning is to stop or contain that player. It's NOT because the other team can't run the ball
This defense was more prominent and widely used all around the league. There was a huge uptick last year. Many teams, including the Chiefs were forced to go underneath. Heck Herbert was averaging like 150 yards per game almost all season.
It was not a Hill exclusive defense. It was a league wide used defense to stop the out of control passing attacks
Wasn’t exclusive to Hill but he’s the most respected deep field stretcher in the league. Haven’t looked at the tape and compared if Miami was played deeper than other teams but that’s pretty much how San Fran and the chargers stopped us in 2022 was by dropping linebackers 3-4 yards deeper than normal as well as safeties.
Deep passing was down but for Miami it was completely gone as we couldn’t run at all.
I don’t think that had to do with the chiefs or the chargers though. Chiefs switched to a shorter game once Hill left. It worked the first year but defenses have caught on. Chargers was simply a major decline in passing, harbaugh loves to run. Herbert in most of those low passing games had less than 20 total attempts.
It’s something Miami really can expose if they can run properly by outrunning the dline to the edge while having backers and safeties further off the line but that would require more resources into the line and finding guys that can run block. That right side looking dangerous if Daniels recovers and returns to form.