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We trade our 1st (#16) and 2nd (#48) round picks for Detroit’s 9th overall, pending we get a first or second from Denver for Ricky. With the point value system the picks are worth Detroit’s pick is worth 1400 points. Our first and second combined would equal out to be 1430 so it’d be as equal a trade as you can get. This would really open doors for us to nab Cutler.

What do you think?
 
popularwar said:
Let him fall to us.

Agreed, let him fall to us, if he isn't there, take someone else.
 
NIMA said:
We trade our 1st (#16) and 2nd (#48) round picks for Detroit’s 9th overall, pending we get a first or second from Denver for Ricky. With the point value system the picks are worth Detroit’s pick is worth 1400 points. Our first and second combined would equal out to be 1430 so it’d be as equal a trade as you can get. This would really open doors for us to nab Cutler.

What do you think?

IMO, no way. I want to keep our 16 and our second and take our chances at drafting the BPA at those spots. If, and thats a big IF we trade Ricky, don't count on a second and if it's less then that I don't see Saban giving Ricky and his very very low salary away.
 
i really have no solution for this, but i think i like the let him fall to us though
 
Possible, though I'm not sure if Cutler is worth Ricky & a first because that's basically what this trade is.
 
small point but our 2nd is the 51st overall not the 48th. We have the 19th pick in the 2nd round, based on the 4 teams tied at 9-7.
 
NIMA said:
We trade our 1st (#16) and 2nd (#48) round picks for Detroit’s 9th overall, pending we get a first or second from Denver for Ricky. With the point value system the picks are worth Detroit’s pick is worth 1400 points. Our first and second combined would equal out to be 1430 so it’d be as equal a trade as you can get. This would really open doors for us to nab Cutler.

What do you think?

I'd have no problems with that if Saban was positive Cutler wouldn't fall to 16th. I've no problem with trading Ricky if it gets us our QB but only if its at worst a 2nd pick. I don't see us getting one though. I still think Cutler will drop to us. Dunno why.
 
NIMA said:
We trade our 1st (#16) and 2nd (#48) round picks for Detroit’s 9th overall, pending we get a first or second from Denver for Ricky. With the point value system the picks are worth Detroit’s pick is worth 1400 points. Our first and second combined would equal out to be 1430 so it’d be as equal a trade as you can get. This would really open doors for us to nab Cutler.

What do you think?

I don't think that the "pending" part of the scenario is likely to happen.
 
Too much for an unproven QB. I think other teams may try and trade up to get Cutler. I would love for him to fall to 16 but very unlikely. Let everyone else fight for him and we keep Ricky and draft best available. We have the cheapest weapon, and the best insurance policy in the NFL, let's keep him.
 
Caps said:
Agreed, let him fall to us, if he isn't there, take someone else.

I'm not saying i agree with that trade but what IF he becomes the next great QB? would u guy shsoot urselves for not wanting this trade to happen or any trade rather wait to see if he might fall or would u still say you are glad we didn't? hmm...
 
SR 7 said:
I'm not saying i agree with that trade but what IF he becomes the next great QB? would u guy shsoot urselves for not wanting this trade to happen or any trade rather wait to see if he might fall or would u still say you are glad we didn't? hmm...

QB isn't the only need on this team and the draft is strong at the 16 spot so we will have plenty of opportunities without trading. You would think Dolphins fans would know that a great QB does not a team make better than anybody.
 
Gonzo said:
QB isn't the only need on this team and the draft is strong at the 16 spot so we will have plenty of opportunities without trading. You would think Dolphins fans would know that a great QB does not a team make better than anybody.

Exactly. You don't trade UP and lose picks, you add them and you add them with the player that has the most value right now on your team and that's your backup (SAY IT WITH ME NOW) backup rb, ricky.

Ricky is 29, has 2 strikes against him in the drug program and has a questionable commitment to playing in the NFL. Anyone who deosn't add that up and see him as JUST AS BIG A RISK as bringing in T.O. to their team is an idiot.

Some team will have to be DESPERATE to pony up a second round choice for Ricky and INDY may just be that team.

Once a running back reaches 30 he has NO trade value.

This isn't my opinion, it's a FACT!! In the NFL no back over 30 is worth a damn as far as trading is concerned. Was it just a coincidence that Shaun Alexander AND Edgerrin James BOTH couldn't get traded. And Travis Henry from Buffalo, do he make a HUGE impact after that trade? No.

GM's in the NFL not only look at past trades to establish value, they look at past results. The Dolphins giving what amounted to two first round picks for Ricky was a HUGE mistake. A second round pick for FEELEY another huge mistake.

It's a buyer's market out there and every coach knows that there are FAST WILLY PARKERS waiting, undrafted and hungry after every draft. They are out there. Getting Ricky would make sense to a team if they don't have to give up much, but if they're not willing to give up much then it makes more sense to keep him for the next 3 years until he's used up.

No, if someone wants him they're gonna have to overpay and a second round pick and a conditional 4th next year would be it. Personally, I feel that SABAN needs quality players right now. So my trade scenario would be as follows: Each round of the draft represents 32 college players. The first half of the first round represents the creme de la creme, after that it's a crap shoot between pick number 17 and 128. The first four rounds have the top 128 players in college football.

Right now, we're gonna get 4 of these players.

I would trade Ricky away for the right to have SABAN and MUELLER draft 6 of the top 128 players. I would trade Ricky away for a 3rd and 4th rounder, which has the same "value" as a second, but gives GREAT talent evaluators like our coach and GM two extra picks in the crucial top 128.

Under that scnario, we could get a QB, CB, LT, WR, LB and FS all within the top four rounds. No matter what position we filled when, we'd get quality players to fill real needs on this team. Whether MORRIS or KJ or some undrafted rookie steps up to back up Ronnie Brown, it won't matter because we will have addressed a huge concern for our team and that is value.

Would you rather have a GREAT backup or two more young starters? If you answer a great backup, you're entitled to your opinion but you'd never be able to run a team. I believe that with a 3rd and 4th, we'd get REAL value for Ricky and invest in what we ALL believe in, which is Coach Saban's ability to pick starting caliber players.

SIX picks from the top 128. It's sexy isn't it, intriguing...

And, it's the best possible trade scenario for Indy's win now mentality and our draft now mentality. Both teams would get what they need at the moment.

SIX picks from the top 128.

Say it with me now...
 
perezferia said:
The first half of the first round represents the creme de la creme, after that it's a crap shoot between pick number 17 and 128. The first four rounds have the top 128 players in college football.

Right now, we're gonna get 4 of these players.
I would trade Ricky away for the right to have SABAN and MUELLER draft 6 of the top 128 players...
SIX picks from the top 128. It's sexy isn't it, intriguing...
SIX picks from the top 128.
Say it with me now...


whoa. SIX picks from the top 128. whoa
 
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