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Training Camp Battles #4: Right Guard

Who Will Win the Starting Job at RG?

  • Billy Turner

    Votes: 43 31.6%

  • Dallas Thomas

    Votes: 3 2.2%

  • Kraig Urbik

    Votes: 15 11.0%

  • Jermon Bushrod

    Votes: 50 36.8%

  • Jamil Douglas

    Votes: 25 18.4%
  • Total voters
    136
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Why Billy Turner Will Win:

Billy Turner has started games for this team, and he has experience going against the vaunted DL's in the AFC East. He's a young player who most of us knew would take some time to develop coming from North Dakota State. Coming into his 3rd year, he will be hitting a very important year in his growth trajectory, a year that players determine if they are a one-and-done contract, or if they have vitality in this league.


This will be the year that Billy Turner proves to the front office that he was worth a 3rd round investment. He's our best chance at a "mauler".
Why Dallas Thomas Will Win:

Screw it, I'll admit, it took me more than 5 minutes to write my first sentence in his defense. And it's just a self-aware sentence, not even a sentence about Dallas Thomas. I'm surprised he has a job. This is hard.
Um…hmm…OK! I got it!
Let me grab a beer first.
What were we talking about? I don't remember either!
Why Kraig Urbik Will Win:

Our highest rated G by our lovely friends at PFF, by a wide margin. He has started in this league and is also familiar with the AFC East, playing with the Buffalo Bills. He signed a 2 year deal, but it's essentially a 1 year "prove it" deal. As a 30 year-old, this is his chance to play for another contract and demand some dollars as a starting NFL guard, compared to being paid as a back-up.
I'm pretty sure he's big and strong and good at pushing people and stuff like that, too. He's my quasi-darkhorse to win the competition.
Why Jermon Bushrod Will Win:

I want him to have as much success and notoriety as possible with a surname like Bushrod. The potential sexual innuendos almost approach infinity. Please, please, for outrageously selfish purposes, win this competition. I want to buy your jersey.
Although his experience is at tackle, Adam Gase may have seen a potential fit for Bushrod to plug a hole (see! I'm telling you…infinity!) at a glaring weakness when Gase took the reins of the team. He will have every chance to win the guard competition, and worst case scenario, he loses and we have more legit tackle depth in the event of injury.
Why Jamil Douglas Will Win:

The dude didn't get a chance to show himself at guard, as he was forced to play center due to rampant injuries to the OL. He was projected as a better NFL guard, despite playing some tackle at Arizona State (he played guard there as well). He'll have his opportunity to prove whether that projection was indeed correct, as he did not appear to have a chance at an NFL career playing center. His quest for redemption will give him the motivation to rise up the depth chart.
He's young, and the one knock on him was his strength and power, and another off-season in a professional training regimen, on top of the work he's already done, should help his case.
The one positive from Douglas' scouting profile was his athleticism. If he can combine his athleticism with some more raw power, he has a chance to raise his floor AND his ceiling.
Final Verdict

It's really tough to spread enough reps around to 5 guys. Adam Gase will need to trim the fat soon to get better looks at the most viable competition. I look for Urbik and Turner to separate themselves. I wouldn't kid you though, bro, I have no idea how this is going to turn out.

SUTTON's Probability: Urbik 35%/Turner 33%/Douglas 15%/Bushrod 15%/Thomas 2%
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http://www.thephinsider.com/2016/6/11/11898716/training-camp-battles-4-right-guard
 
I like Douglas to win the job. He's the most talented OG in the group - given Bushrod's decline. Turner wouldn't shock me, but I don't like his projection as much. If neither take it and Urbik or Bushrod is starting, we should still have a very good OL.
 
I always thought Douglas would be ready year two. I am not giving up on Billy Turner. I think he could be better in this system.
 
Nice write-up.

I see Turner or Urbik starting. Douglas is still a bit to raw compared to the other gaurds; Bushrod is overcoming injury and won't be getting the reps that the other gaurds will. As for Thomas, no comment. Anyone who has seen enough of his tape(and i imagine / surely hope Gase and the coaching staff have seen it as well) knows this guy should be gone by the end of training camp.


Dmac
 
If Bushrod wins we would have a 4 tackle 1 center line, has that ever happened before in the NFL?
 
I don't consider Urbik a "dark horse" at all, he is the only one with quality NFL experience at guard
 
I just finished reading that article on the phinsiders; and I chose Kevin Nogle just to be a smartass lol. In all seriousness though, I think it'll come down to either Bushrod, Turner, or Urbik. Dallas Thomas needs to be booted out of Miami...Jamil Douglas I think will be the backup Center and possibly backup LG. Jmo though.
 
Turner and Urbik are the most likely. Followed by Bushrod. Douglas will probably stick as a three position backup. Dallas Thomas is gonna get launched into the Sun (hopefully).
 
I'm betting on jamil Douglas. He's shown the most consistency so far. They'll go young for sure. I would be shocked if they put in an aging vet at starter. Douglas or Turner. But this should be camp battle #1 + 2. The offensive line is,by far the most important position for,us this year. It has derailed the last 3 seasons. No running game, no time to pass more than 2 yards, defense constantly on the field, constantly losing the field position battle due to 3 and outs.. It affects EVERYTHING.
 
Ive seen an interesting stat circling about how when our three main guys in James, Pouncey, and Albert have started and finished we've been 6-1? Or something along those lines. I'm curious if anyone has specifically watched these games and evaluated the guard play? I certainly agree with everyone regarding the likes of Dallas Thomas and hoping to never see him in a fins uniform again. I'm just interested in how our guard play is rated with all the starters together compared to how it's rated when we have injuries. Maybe an interesting thing to talk about during the dead time of year.
 
Douglas
He's young, and the one knock on him was his strength and power, and another off-season in a professional training regimen, on top of the work he's already done, should help his case.

Douglas is legendary in ASU's weight room, with a power clean of 385 pounds, a bench press of 430 and a squat of 565.
That's pretty damn strong for someone who had "one knock about his strength and power"
The dude was a monster. Not sure who the expert was on the above statement but he didn't know what he was talking about

NFL.com published its "Most freakish athletes in college football" list, a part of their 14 for '14 series.
Included: Arizona State's Jamil Douglas.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...-why-tackle-jamil-douglas-is-a-freak/9883457/
 
I don't know why so many people are betting on Douglas. He might actually have been worse than Dallas Thomas last year. I get that he had that nice story about practicing in his room but that's only worth so much. Turner is way more talented and Urbik has the experience.
 
miamiron said:
Douglas
He's young, and the one knock on him was his strength and power, and another off-season in a professional training regimen, on top of the work he's already done, should help his case.

Douglas is legendary in ASU's weight room, with a power clean of 385 pounds, a bench press of 430 and a squat of 565.
That's pretty damn strong for someone who had "one knock about his strength and power"
The dude was a monster. Not sure who the expert was on the above statement but he didn't know what he was talking about

NFL.com published its "Most freakish athletes in college football" list, a part of their 14 for '14 series.
Included: Arizona State's Jamil Douglas.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...-why-tackle-jamil-douglas-is-a-freak/9883457/
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Interesting. He will only get stronger with pro trainers. Good coaching and technique should bode well for him.
 
I thought I read here in the forums that Jamil Douglas had the nastiest initial punch out of the lineman.. You don't develop that by being weak
 
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