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Championships start with building an elite offensive line, period.

Grier has done nothing to spend the money in the right places, on the right positions, to rebuild this team for success.

Band-aid players and fundamentally inconsistent prospects don't work.

Should've kept Tunsil, should've drafted another blue chip O lineman, and picked up a couple of above average free agent veterans over the past 3 years and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The running game and its success starts with the O line.

The passing game starts with the O line.

The defense can have success, and doesn't have to be top 5, when the offense is lighting it up and/or controlling the clock.

The defense has more flexibility when up by 2 touchdowns or more.

Starts with the O line, fellas.

Grier and this coaching staff have failed miserably.

A GM's success is based on the results on the field, since almost all teams have the same hierarchy. GM manufactures the roster with the input of scouting, and the coaching staff coaches the players on the roster.

It starts with Grier and what he has given Coach Flo. I wouldn't get rid of Flores. I would offer him the opportunity to be DC before getting rid of him altogether.

Daboll should be the next HC, and Allen, who's an assistant GM, should get a crack at it. He's a solid scout and has produced and evaluated many Pro Bowl players.

This team as a whole is only 4-6 players and a good, not great, GM away from being really good. It's never about money with Ross, hell spend it. It's his lack of football personnel experience and hiring that is dooming this franchise.

If Ross hired someone to oversee football operations, that is not a GM, then maybe this team can be ran by football people, and not the owner's checkbook and humanitarian reputation.

The kids in the community will always get the support of the team... honestly, fans don't give a **** how much money an owner donated to charity. Fans care about their team winning games and championships. That's why we're called fans, short for fanatics. We're not just casually interested in what uniforms look best, or if our quarterback has a hot wife or not (though those are secondary interests).

Ultimately, it's sports. Entertainment that makes money for the owner when the team is successful. I honestly don't believe Ross wants to lose, let alone sell his team. I know he's not Joe Robbie, or even Big Wayne for that matter, but the guy loves this team and has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into trying to help this team be successful.

Maybe the solution is to hire a GM and HC and staff that has its own identity, and not the identity of a rival, like the Patriots. Maybe an identity that is to itself. The Bills, and I'm saying this because it's true, are an exciting team to watch. They may be our division rival and for years they owned us in the Kelly era, but they are the new king of the ring in the AFC East. I bleed aqua and orange through and through, but Buffalo is a blueprint to mimick in my book more than NE.

That's my 2 cents. If you want a refund, lick windows.
 
It’s easier to draft flashy players, but even when we draft o-line, we seemingly can’t do anything with them. When was the last decent OL we had? 2008? 2003? 2002?
 
Good post.

I think the tear down went well. The build has been somewhere between peculiar and awful.

I would also add that Flores is getting nowhere near enough out of what he’s been given. But that product is undoubtedly ill-conceived and naive to put it kindly.
 
Championships more start with top 10 QBs. That's what the league is. Look at the divisional leaders.
You saw what no OL did to the Chiefs last year compared to 2019 in the SB. Top 10 QBs with no OL is like buying a Lamborghini without a gas tank and expecting to fix the problem by painting the car a different color...
 
You saw what no OL did to the Chiefs last year compared to 2019 in the SB. Top 10 QBs with no OL is like buying a Lamborghini without a gas tank and expecting to fix the problem by painting the car a different color...
The SB went the way it did because KC was playing the best team. W those injuries they probably beat 30 other teams.
 
You saw what no OL did to the Chiefs last year compared to 2019 in the SB. Top 10 QBs with no OL is like buying a Lamborghini without a gas tank and expecting to fix the problem by painting the car a different color...
No doubt it helps quite a bit. BUT I think the point you are overlooking there is with the top 5 QB they got to back-to-back SBs, and got to it with a crap o-line.
 
No doubt it helps quite a bit. BUT I think the point you are overlooking there is with the top 5 QB they got to back-to-back SBs, and got to it with a crap o-line.
When did it change from top 10 to top 5?

Look at the teams that win SBs. O Line. There's no argument. If your QB is pressured and hit and sacked and running for his life, and can't run block because you're not running being down multiple scores, the scoreboard said it all.

O line play has ALWAYS dictated the rest of the team's success, no matter who is qb.

It's been that way since the beginning of the game
 
Championships start with building an elite offensive line, period.

Grier has done nothing to spend the money in the right places, on the right positions, to rebuild this team for success.

Band-aid players and fundamentally inconsistent prospects don't work.

Should've kept Tunsil, should've drafted another blue chip O lineman, and picked up a couple of above average free agent veterans over the past 3 years and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The running game and its success starts with the O line.

The passing game starts with the O line.

The defense can have success, and doesn't have to be top 5, when the offense is lighting it up and/or controlling the clock.

The defense has more flexibility when up by 2 touchdowns or more.

Starts with the O line, fellas.

Grier and this coaching staff have failed miserably.

A GM's success is based on the results on the field, since almost all teams have the same hierarchy. GM manufactures the roster with the input of scouting, and the coaching staff coaches the players on the roster.

It starts with Grier and what he has given Coach Flo. I wouldn't get rid of Flores. I would offer him the opportunity to be DC before getting rid of him altogether.

Daboll should be the next HC, and Allen, who's an assistant GM, should get a crack at it. He's a solid scout and has produced and evaluated many Pro Bowl players.

This team as a whole is only 4-6 players and a good, not great, GM away from being really good. It's never about money with Ross, hell spend it. It's his lack of football personnel experience and hiring that is dooming this franchise.

If Ross hired someone to oversee football operations, that is not a GM, then maybe this team can be ran by football people, and not the owner's checkbook and humanitarian reputation.

The kids in the community will always get the support of the team... honestly, fans don't give a **** how much money an owner donated to charity. Fans care about their team winning games and championships. That's why we're called fans, short for fanatics. We're not just casually interested in what uniforms look best, or if our quarterback has a hot wife or not (though those are secondary interests).

Ultimately, it's sports. Entertainment that makes money for the owner when the team is successful. I honestly don't believe Ross wants to lose, let alone sell his team. I know he's not Joe Robbie, or even Big Wayne for that matter, but the guy loves this team and has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into trying to help this team be successful.

Maybe the solution is to hire a GM and HC and staff that has its own identity, and not the identity of a rival, like the Patriots. Maybe an identity that is to itself. The Bills, and I'm saying this because it's true, are an exciting team to watch. They may be our division rival and for years they owned us in the Kelly era, but they are the new king of the ring in the AFC East. I bleed aqua and orange through and through, but Buffalo is a blueprint to mimick in my book more than NE.

That's my 2 cents. If you want a refund, lick windows.
I would say if he drafted well, the O-line would have been much better than it is….he still needed some quality veteran additions, and the money for Byron Jones would have been better spent there!
 
When did it change from top 10 to top 5?

Look at the teams that win SBs. O Line. There's no argument. If your QB is pressured and hit and sacked and running for his life, and can't run block because you're not running being down multiple scores, the scoreboard said it all.

O line play has ALWAYS dictated the rest of the team's success, no matter who is qb.

It's been that way since the beginning of the game
I don't understand how you can say o-line dictates success when KC got to the SuperBowl with a crap o-line.

They didn't win the SuperBowl, but just getting there is pretty damn successful, and MORE successful than 31 other teams.
 
I would say if he drafted well, the O-line would have been much better than it is….he still needed some quality veteran additions, and the money for Byron Jones would have been better spent there!
agreed. if we draft Sewell this past draft, and kept Flowers at RG, along with Eich at left tackle, Sewell opposite Eich on the right tackle side for Tua's blind side, and Dieter and even using Kindley or Davis at LG...I think that would've been a decent O line.... don't get me started on Jones. That contract could've signed 2 vet OL and a decent punter lol
 
I don't understand how you can say o-line dictates success when KC got to the SuperBowl with a crap o-line.

They didn't win the SuperBowl, but just getting there is pretty damn successful, and more successful than 31 other teams.
dude you should go back and watch their season. Their O line was far from crap. Until the lack of depth made it crap. They were rolling fools in the playoffs with their running game, and they weren't a good run block team, AND you can't convince many people that their OL was as bad as half the lines in the league.
 
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