True Fans want us to lose

[deathdisco]

The worst thing we can do is go 9-7 or 8-8 or worse 7-9 that means a new coaching staff comes in and we have a mid round pick. We are not winning this year and that is a fair assessment after not beating a division rival in the pats. Root for losses so we can draft one of the prized qb's in round 1. lets face it we will have a new regime in here next year and henne will be gone. THE DOOR WILL HIT HIM AND SPARANO'S *** ON THE WAY OUT. :D

Wow how about trying to just support the team. It's fan like you that make me sick. We go 1-15 and then wait another 3 to 4 years for a QB to mature to play in this league are you kidding me. This is the first year in a long time that this team even has a chance. It's one game against maybe the best team in the league, we don't need to go back to the drawing board for a single loss.

Next time post this when we are 1-9 or something and Henne is playing terrible. Until then go watch the Jets or something.

 

[deathdisco]

I disagree, people with the IT factor don't turn out to be busts. Ya there are busts that come out of the draft every year, but those players don't have the IT factor. What I mean by the IT factor is intangibles that you can't teach. It's not based on talent alone. It might mean a guy that overachieves based on his ability. I look at a guy like Mark Sanchez and he has the IT factor. He might not be the most talented quarterback around, but he has leadership skills and knows how to win. I feel that way about Tim Tebow and Cam Newton too. Now when you have the IT factor with talent, the sky is the limit. I see that with Luck. We will just have to see if I am right or not on him down the road.

He doesn't know how to win, you are forgetting the other players that he is playing with. Mark has gotten hot here and there, but there aren't many Jets fans that think he is the golden child or the answer. We had Jay Fiedler remember that? He knew how to win, but we didn't go anywhere with it.

 

[koolvid]

OP has more downs than an elevator

 

[Dredd1050]

If "true fans" want Miami to lose then I guess I'm not a "true fan". *looks around* Who do I give this card back to?

 

[R_t_Kraken]

Can't believe this thread wasn't trashed already.

 

[Swantoon]

I disagree, people with the IT factor don't turn out to be bust. Ya there are busts that come out of the draft every year, but those players don't have the IT factor. What I mean by the IT factor is intangibles that you can't teach. It's not based on talent alone. I look at a guy like Mark Sanchez and he has the IT factor. He might not be the most talented quarterback around, but he has leadership skills and knows how to win. I feel that way about Tim Tebow and Cam Newton too. Now when you have the IT factor with talent, the sky is the limit. I see that with Luck. We will just have to see if I am right or not on him down the road.

Ryan Leaf had the IT factor. Akili Smith had the IT factor. Rick Mirer was overflowing with IT factor. The IT factor doesn't mean anything.

 

[Vaark]

Someone taught me long ago that no matter what you do, there'll be 5-10% who will support you or your cause unconditionally and maybe blindly, and 5-10% who will oppose or hate you or what you stand for unconditionally and blindly. It's in the hard-wiring. Same ratio when you think about lunatic left vs lunatic right, anarchists vs fascists, or whatever extremes you can think of as bookends of the rational middle majority.

I started the following poll over a month ago when skepticism of, if not animosity for Henne was at the highest level its been. The results, you will see bear out that 5-10% Extremes Rule where 94% of the over 350 poll members, more than a few of them rabidly anti-Henne, when asked the question outright, agreed that they'd support him so long as he's under center because they support the team. Didn't matter if they thought he'd fail, didn't matter if they preferred someone else instead; what mattered was that as fans they'd root for the teams success, period! And THAT, confirmed by 90+% of responding FH members is the definition of a 'True Fan." !!!!!

Like in the poll, there's a small minority here that tries to rationalize rooting against the team as being "present pain for future gain. " IMO it's a handy-dandy excuse for being in reality a "bandwagoner." Sorry, but rooting against your team goes against every strand of a true fan"s DNA - it's just not what they do.

Hopefully this poll's referendum will put this nutty thread to bed once everyone accepts that there will always be an extreme, sometimes delusional fringe, no matter most issues. :idk:

 

[dtjp17]

Ryan Leaf had the IT factor. Akili Smith had the IT factor. Rick Mirer was overflowing with IT factor. The IT factor doesn't mean anything.

So did Peyton, Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Eli, Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, Mike Vick,

we can go all day with some top pick busts but when it boils down to it there are more successes that failures

 

[Swantoon]

So did Peyton, Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Eli, Phillip Rivers, Big Ben, Mike Vick,

we can go all day with some top pick busts but when it boils down to it there are more successes that failures

I don't think so. The bottom line though is Luck is not a guarantee. You want to lose this season for less than a guarantee. Also if Luck ends up not being the answer the organization is 5 years behind because they will give him that much time before changing. If we get to 1-10 or something crazy then I will hope for the first pick, but until then I am rooting for the team to win.

 

[Ryan1973]

He doesn't know how to win, you are forgetting the other players that he is playing with. Mark has gotten hot here and there, but there aren't many Jets fans that think he is the golden child or the answer. We had Jay Fiedler remember that? He knew how to win, but we didn't go anywhere with it.

Fielder didn't go to back to back AFC championship games and win a bunch of playoff games on the road. You can't have a bad quarterback on your team if your doing that. And I am not saying Mark Sanchez is the golden child, but he does have that IT factor that allows him to play at a certain level in key situations to get his team over the top more times than not.

 

[Ryan1973]

Ryan Leaf had the IT factor. Akili Smith had the IT factor. Rick Mirer was overflowing with IT factor. The IT factor doesn't mean anything.

Uh no, those guys didn't come close to having the IT factor. None of them were natural leaders. Leaf was the biggest crybaby there was. He might have had a strong arm coming out of college, but he didn't have the mental makeup for the NFL. So try again on that one.

 

[phinsgohard06]

I just cant understand the logic behind wanting the team to do bad so we have a better future. How does it make sense on any level? Let me try and walk in a "true fans" shoes for a sec. Hopefully we do bad this season and get a high draft. Draft a unproven QB. Fire our GM and Coach then hope for a good season next year. WTF! Am i wrong or doesnt that just make us the same horrible team with a high draft pick and a new coach?!? Plz save me the we just did it in 08 crap. The same FO and coach that everyone wants fired is the same FO and coach that got us to the playoffs. They might not be the best but they are far from the worse. I could understand if they never did anything good but thats not the case. Everyone on this board has at least ONE player they like that this FO brought in. Dont front keep it real.

 

[Ryan1973]

I just cant understand the logic behind wanting the team to do bad so we have a better future. How does it make sense on any level? Let me try and walk in a "true fans" shoes for a sec. Hopefully we do bad this season and get a high draft. Draft a unproven QB. Fire our GM and Coach then hope for a good season next year. WTF! Am i wrong or doesnt that just make us the same horrible team with a high draft pick and a new coach?!? Plz save me the we just did it in 08 crap. The same FO and coach that everyone wants fired is the same FO and coach that got us to the playoffs. They might not be the best but they are far from the worse. I could understand if they never did anything good but thats not the case. Everyone on this board has at least ONE player they like that this FO brought in. Dont front keep it real.

Ya because what they have been doing the last few years has really been working! :rolleyes2: I got an idea, lets just stay at 7-9 or 8-8 the next decade. It seems like most of you would be happy with that.

 

[dtjp17]

Ya because what they have been doing the last few years has really been working! :rolleyes2: I got an idea, lets just stay at 7-9 or 8-8 the next decade. It seems like most of you would be happy with that.

Why is it so hard for everyone else to see the brilliant logic behind this.

 

[Swantoon]

Uh no, those guys didn't come close to having the IT factor. None of them were natural leaders. Leaf was the biggest crybaby there was. He might have had a strong arm coming out of college, but he didn't have the mental makeup for the NFL. So try again on that one.

The point was they supposedly had it during college just like Luck supposedly has it. Maybe Luck will be great, but at this point it's still a maybe.