Trying to gauge the thought process of this front office

[juniorseau55]

This is not a bash threadsx nor would I want to discuss bashing other players. In reality the franchise starts with decision makers, and those same decision makers put their theories to a test. Let's start with my first few.

We made some great trades to get draft picks. Some of them were great, but other draft picks require more time to access.

1. I was all for sewell in this draft, but deep down inside I wanted us to improve our line. We traded down for a receiver, but Slater was available there at 12. Hindsight 2020 but after Flores saying he is going to shuffle the line, that tells me they could have focus on a much deep problem. Specially if Tua doesnt end up being the guy, having a nice line would make it more atractive for any qb to be good.

2. What drove the team to draft Tua over Herbert? Were the dolphins targeting something specific that they felt Justin Justin didnt have ?

3. No pass rusher in free agency? No linebacker in draft? The defensive line is having a hard time just like last year. We cant stop a team like buffalo below 20 pts, 400 passing yards, and over 100 rushing yards.


What mindset do they have? The patching an issue mindset, temporary fixes? What is their goal? If something doesnt work then it wont work.

 

[Fred Bear]

You would need a micro gauge for that

 

[Tiger]

This is not a bash threadsx nor would I want to discuss bashing other players. In reality the franchise starts with decision makers, and those same decision makers put their theories to a test. Let's start with my first few.

We made some great trades to get draft picks. Some of them were great, but other draft picks require more time to access.

1. I was all for sewell in this draft, but deep down inside I wanted us to improve our line. We traded down for a receiver, but Slater was available there at 12. Hindsight 2020 but after Flores saying he is going to shuffle the line, that tells me they could have focus on a much deep problem. Specially if Tua doesnt end up being the guy, having a nice line would make it more atractive for any qb to be good.

2. What drove the team to draft Tua over Herbert? Were the dolphins targeting something specific that they felt Justin Justin didnt have ?

3. No pass rusher in free agency? No linebacker in draft? The defensive line is having a hard time just like last year. We cant stop a team like buffalo below 20 pts, 400 passing yards, and over 100 rushing yards.


What mindset do they have? The patching an issue mindset, temporary fixes? What is their goal? If something doesnt work then it wont work.

I’ll speak to your second point. The majority of teams had TUA on their board ahead of Herbert. Chargers included. There were concerns over his leadership and also his decision making. He can make some amazing throws. He also will do some dumb **** that will cost you a game. He did that at Oregon and he’s doing it again. His stats are impressive if you just see them flash by or see a 2 minute highlight video but the guy is throwing the ball 50 times a game. It’d be shocking if he wasn’t putting up yards with the volume in which he is throwing the ball. You’ll see a lot of revisionist history on here about how we should’ve take Herbert or people saying they wanted him all along. All you have to do is look at the threads on here in the month before last years draft, it tells a different story.

 

[multistage]

Not worth your time.

Hasn’t been right since Shula retired.

 

[royalshank]

We did hold the Bills to 170 yards passing in this last game somehow.

 

[Fred Bear]

The bills knew they had us when they walked into the stadium and it took very little effort for them to beat us. They could have beat us with a field goal

 

[superphin]

 

[djphinfan]

The front office imo needs to be held accountable for the mess we are in..

imo this is a case of mismanaging the cap and paying the wrong players and the wrong positions, two years ago this line should of had two high level free agents added..Last year another.

 

[N3ILA]

This is not a bash threadsx nor would I want to discuss bashing other players. In reality the franchise starts with decision makers, and those same decision makers put their theories to a test. Let's start with my first few.

We made some great trades to get draft picks. Some of them were great, but other draft picks require more time to access.

1. I was all for sewell in this draft, but deep down inside I wanted us to improve our line. We traded down for a receiver, but Slater was available there at 12. Hindsight 2020 but after Flores saying he is going to shuffle the line, that tells me they could have focus on a much deep problem. Specially if Tua doesnt end up being the guy, having a nice line would make it more atractive for any qb to be good.

2. What drove the team to draft Tua over Herbert? Were the dolphins targeting something specific that they felt Justin Justin didnt have ?

3. No pass rusher in free agency? No linebacker in draft? The defensive line is having a hard time just like last year. We cant stop a team like buffalo below 20 pts, 400 passing yards, and over 100 rushing yards.


What mindset do they have? The patching an issue mindset, temporary fixes? What is their goal? If something doesnt work then it wont work.

Not a bash reply but it's hard too guage what the fo has tried to do because we dont have all of the info. Whether it be fa we tried to sign or players we tried to draft but someone jumped infront of us. Our team is built next stage would be finding great FA with a higher price tag its a slow process. Also the last two drafts no personal visits because covid for any teams. We had stoped buffalo at 14points but our offense couldnt stay on the field or score. We will have to wait to see what happenes next. I learned long ago that I can get upset all I want there's nothing I personally I can do to help us win games other than cheer and hope for the best. It was also hard growing up when all my friends were packers fans and that was when marino was playing. I havent believed in any coach after shula until flo. Flo is owning his mistakes not making excusses like our previous coaches. Dont forget how far we've come this fo is trying to build a competitive team to last for years not a one and done. DO you want too win the division every year or hope to snag the last wild card spot. People can get as mad as they want but flo and grier are here too stay for at least 2 to three more years. And no I dont agree with everything our FO has done

 

[juniorseau55]

You would need a micro gauge for that

I agree lol.

We did hold the Bills to 170 yards passing in this last game somehow.

When you win the battles in the trenches on both ends and not play to your potential that speaks volumes for us.

Not a bash reply but it's hard too guage what the fo has tried to do because we dont have all of the info. Whether it be fa we tried to sign or players we tried to draft but someone jumped infront of us. Our team is built next stage would be finding great FA with a higher price tag its a slow process. Also the last two drafts no personal visits because covid for any teams. We had stoped buffalo at 14points but our offense couldnt stay on the field or score. We will have to wait to see what happenes next. I learned long ago that I can get upset all I want there's nothing I personally I can do to help us win games other than cheer and hope for the best. It was also hard growing up when all my friends were packers fans and that was when marino was playing. I havent believed in any coach after shula until flo. Flo is owning his mistakes not making excusses like our previous coaches. Dont forget how far we've come this fo is trying to build a competitive team to last for years not a one and done. DO you want too win the division every year or hope to snag the last wild card spot. People can get as mad as they want but flo and grier are here too stay for at least 2 to three more years. And no I dont agree with everything our FO has done

I wasn't satisfied with the line this season. If the team was, and the final verdict so far after week 2 is that we made poor decisions from a personnel stand point. The only guy who performed consistently was Robert Hunt, and we are moving him from guard to tackle, and tackle to guard etc. When his contract is over reset assured he will receive a nice contract. I don't blame the Dolphins for drafting Austin but that is because he was the best tackle we could draft at the time. At this rate we may not have nothing but 1 star in that line, and the rest of the players are back ups. Look I am ok at the end of the day if they rectify the issue but right now if your team doesn't know which players can play a specific position that is bothersome to me.

 

[juniorseau55]

I’ll speak to your second point. The majority of teams had TUA on their board ahead of Herbert. Chargers included. There were concerns over his leadership and also his decision making. He can make some amazing throws. He also will do some dumb **** that will cost you a game. He did that at Oregon and he’s doing it again. His stats are impressive if you just see them flash by or see a 2 minute highlight video but the guy is throwing the ball 50 times a game. It’d be shocking if he wasn’t putting up yards with the volume in which he is throwing the ball. You’ll see a lot of revisionist history on here about how we should’ve take Herbert or people saying they wanted him all along. All you have to do is look at the threads on here in the month before last years draft, it tells a different story.

The problem is that this team has a shitty line. Some qb's are able to work around that, but some can't. Our qb can be a sorry player, but if we don't put up a good front then no qb will survive there. If anything Tua has a nice delivery, and touch. A lot of the passes that were dropped for touch downs could have been more catchable if Tua threw them, but he had no time.

 

[Tiger]

The problem is that this team has a ****ty line. Some qb's are able to work around that, but some can't. Our qb can be a sorry player, but if we don't put up a good front then no qb will survive there. If anything Tua has a nice delivery, and touch. A lot of the passes that were dropped for touch downs could have been more catchable if Tua threw them, but he had no time.

I agree 100%. I don’t think any legit final evaluation can be made on him playing under these conditions. We have by far the worst line in the league. This is probably the worst line we’ve ever had.

 

[N3ILA]

I agree lol.

When you win the battles in the trenches on both ends and not play to your potential that speaks volumes for us.


I wasn't satisfied with the line this season. If the team was, and the final verdict so far after week 2 is that we made poor decisions from a personnel stand point. The only guy who performed consistently was Robert Hunt, and we are moving him from guard to tackle, and tackle to guard etc. When his contract is over reset assured he will receive a nice contract. I don't blame the Dolphins for drafting Austin but that is because he was the best tackle we could draft at the time. At this rate we may not have nothing but 1 star in that line, and the rest of the players are back ups. Look I am ok at the end of the day if they rectify the issue but right now if your team doesn't know which players can play a specific position that is bothersome to me.

Yeah I can't argue that. I think Jackson could do well he just turned 21 but atm he's not strong enough. They should put our o-linemen at the position said player is most comfortable at and go from there via trade or any fa still avail. Davis needs to gtfo though!

 

[BC Phins4Life]

We are in such a mess people......The Packers were in such a mess.....The Saints must be in such a mess..........if you lose a game by a big score in the NFL you must rebuild immediately

We are 1-1, tied for first and we play in a crazy league called the NFL.

So much money is made off of betting because of people who think a team is a disaster one week and comes back the next week with some adjustments/ luck etc and wins

Lets start the doom in gloom talk if the Dolphins are 3 games out of a playoff position and until then maybe just hold off on the Sky has Fallen talk

 

[N3ILA]

I agree 100%. I don’t think any legit final evaluation can be made on him playing under these conditions. We have by far the worst line in the league. This is probably the worst line we’ve ever had.

hell I know not a qb but Barry Sanders would struggle behind our o-line.