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[h=2]Trying to understand the Tannenbaum direction in FA[/h] 1 minute ago


I am not a fan of Tannenbaum but, try to look at things fairly. I'm not getting his plan so far in FA. FWIW, here's my rundown with nothing but questions.

DE- We signed Mario for 2 years at $17M, and it does appear we are keeping Wake for around $20M over the next 2 years, totaling $37M for the pair. Mario is 31 and coming off a really bad year, and Wake is 34 coming off a bad year and a major injury. This is who we want and also need to sign another to take a lot of snaps from Wake.

We pass on OV, who had a really good year and is 25, and I had the same $12M value on him but, another team will sign him for $13-15M a year. We appear to have passed on Shelby, who had a VG year, and will likely get around $4M a year, totaling around $38M for 2 years if we go high on OV.

I do not know about anyone else but, for this team at this time, I would never give up 2 young building blocks coming off VG years for 2 older guys who did not.
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CB- We want to trade for Maxwell (along with Kiko) for $18M for 2 years. He had a bad year and has an injury. We offset the cost by cutting Grimes (a good move). However, we drop down 5 spots in the draft. On the draft value chat, not a bad deal but, in reality the chances of getting a great player diminish. We could easily sign someone younger, better, and healthy for close to the same.

Again, I am lost in dropping down in the draft for a player coming off a bad year with an injury.
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RB- We are letting Miller go because another team is giving him an extra $1.5M a year. I had his value at $5M a year as well. Some say RB's are easily replaceable and getting another is no problem. I look at what he has done the last 2 years behind the very worst run blocking OL in football and disagree, and he is 24.

We restructured Cameron to bring him down to $6M a year. While misused, he had a bad year and is worth more than Miller???
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Quick re-cap. We are paying a ton of money for older players coming off bad years and some injuries.

We are not paying for young building blocks who have played very well.

The logic and direction does not compute.
 
First off, Williams is here to replace Wake, not OV. Hayes would of replaced OV. Wake is not a starting DE and we want to restructure him as a third down pass rusher.

We wanted Boone and Hayes, we were outspent.

Miller is too expensive for a team with our cap situation, roll over what you can and fight next year.

This is HOW u do it. Miami is keeping picks and aiming for extra picks via 2017 compensatory.

We have not been this competent in years.
 
[h=2]Trying to understand the Tannenbaum direction in FA[/h] 1 minute ago


I am not a fan of Tannenbaum but, try to look at things fairly. I'm not getting his plan so far in FA. FWIW, here's my rundown with nothing but questions.

DE- We signed Mario for 2 years at $17M, and it does appear we are keeping Wake for around $20M over the next 2 years, totaling $37M for the pair. Mario is 31 and coming off a really bad year, and Wake is 34 coming off a bad year and a major injury. This is who we want and also need to sign another to take a lot of snaps from Wake.

We pass on OV, who had a really good year and is 25, and I had the same $12M value on him but, another team will sign him for $13-15M a year. We appear to have passed on Shelby, who had a VG year, and will likely get around $4M a year, totaling around $38M for 2 years if we go high on OV.

I do not know about anyone else but, for this team at this time, I would never give up 2 young building blocks coming off VG years for 2 older guys who did not.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________

CB- We want to trade for Maxwell (along with Kiko) for $18M for 2 years. He had a bad year and has an injury. We offset the cost by cutting Grimes (a good move). However, we drop down 5 spots in the draft. On the draft value chat, not a bad deal but, in reality the chances of getting a great player diminish. We could easily sign someone younger, better, and healthy for close to the same.

Again, I am lost in dropping down in the draft for a player coming off a bad year with an injury.
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RB- We are letting Miller go because another team is giving him an extra $1.5M a year. I had his value at $5M a year as well. Some say RB's are easily replaceable and getting another is no problem. I look at what he has done the last 2 years behind the very worst run blocking OL in football and disagree, and he is 24.

We restructured Cameron to bring him down to $6M a year. While misused, he had a bad year and is worth more than Miller???
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Quick re-cap. We are paying a ton of money for older players coming off bad years and some injuries.

We are not paying for young building blocks who have played very well.

The logic and direction does not compute.

Join the club - the NY Jets South club.
 
First off, Williams is here to replace Wake, not OV. Hayes would of replaced OV. Wake is not a starting DE and we want to restructure him as a third down pass rusher.

We wanted Boone and Hayes, we were outspent.

Miller is too expensive for a team with our cap situation, roll over what you can and fight next year.

This is HOW u do it. Miami is keeping picks and aiming for extra picks via 2017 compensatory.

We have not been this competent in years.
Thats speculation, because as of right now, Wake is here, Williams is here and OV is gone...
 
Thats speculation, because as of right now, Wake is here, Williams is here and OV is gone...

It is speculation, but its sensible speculation considering I have watched Wake for the last two years be a one down player, now 34 coming off an Achilles injury.

Plus we were hard on Hayes, just missed. May of even cut Wake had he signed.
 
Miller's getting 6.5.. what would it have costed to franchise him? I'd guess it would have been less.

For the first time in a long time, I had some reasonable confidence in a GM, Hickey. Now between an abject failure who's left a trail of detritus behind him and an undistinguished college scout who's no more than his rubber stamp, I sure ain't getting "a peaceful, easy feeling." ! (RIP Glen Frey)
 
Sounds like the plan is trying to stockpile picks. We HAVE to draft well for it to work, but if we are frugal in free agency for now, it will work. We weren't competing for a deep playoff run in 2016 under any circumstances. Hopefully we sign solid mid and low level free agents to fill the 5 or so holes left, and actually build through the draft. I hope Chris Grier is as smart as everybody says he is. And Tannenbomb lets him do his job. Gotta fix the o-line no matter what though. That and CB are critical right now. For the love of God everybody from the Fins owner down to the fans needs to see what Ryan Tannehill can do with a competent o-line in front of him. We need to know if hes the next five years or not. nobody can fully asses that as bad as the o-line play has been. SO GET ME A SOLID GUARD!!!!
 
There is no direction. He's basically filling out a Madden roster.

He is not building anything in this organization. He's letting players we developed go and replacing them with other teams unwanted. I know Vernon and Miller are being overpaid, but had we approached them last season about a reasonable extension, it would never have come to this. That how teams like the Packers, Patriots and Steelers do business.

All he is doing is signing two guys (Maxwell and Williams) who will be cut a year from now and adding another in Alonso who is a FA after the season.

And if Wake retires a year from now, guess what, we have to start completely over at Defensive end.

He's not only crippling the present, but damaging the future. This is why I hate when we continue to bring in new people to run the personnel department because all they want to do is build with their own players.

This will easily top 2013 as worst offseason in Fins history.
 
Miller's getting 6.5.. what would it have costed to franchise him? I'd guess it would have been less.

For the first time in a long time, I had some reasonable confidence in a GM, Hickey. Now between an abject failure who's left a trail of detritus behind him and an undistinguished college scout who's no more than his rubber stamp, I sure ain't getting "a peaceful, easy feeling." ! (RIP Glen Frey)

....$11.8 mil
 
I am really starting to believe that Ross' goal was to come and destroy the Fins. He and Tannenbaum are now in on it together-Jets South.
 
It is speculation, but its sensible speculation considering I have watched Wake for the last two years be a one down player, now 34 coming off an Achilles injury.

Plus we were hard on Hayes, just missed. May of even cut Wake had he signed.
Again, speculation... I see your logic here, and it makes sense, but it doesnt mean anything when trying to defend Tbaum really... Grier said we fix holes in FA and draft BPA... We have not fixed one major hole as of right now... We replaced a declining CB with a CB who was rated in the bottom 3rd of the league, we (fixed) MLB with a broken part, and and switched OV with Williams... Actually we created a hole by letting our own drafted top 5 RB because we didnt want to over pay him 1.5M...
 
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Miller's getting 6.5.. what would it have costed to franchise him? I'd guess it would have been less.

For the first time in a long time, I had some reasonable confidence in a GM, Hickey. Now between an abject failure who's left a trail of detritus behind him and an undistinguished college scout who's no more than his rubber stamp, I sure ain't getting "a peaceful, easy feeling." ! (RIP Glen Frey)

Nope. Would cost almost $12mil to franchise Lamar for 2016. $6.5mil was a fair price.
 
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