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Tua Contract Details Discussion Thread

According to overthecap.com

Tua's cap number in 2024 is $14.5M. The team currently has $17.9M in cap space.

Tua's cap number in 2025 is $39.4M. The team is currently $44.3M over the cap. We should extend Tyreek's contract which will clear more cap space and some other cap saving measures will need to be taken.

Tua's cap number in 2026 is $68.4M. The team is currently $15.5M over the cap.

Tua's cap number in 2027 is $50.4M. The team curretly has $173.5M in cap space.

Tua's cap number in 2028 is $62.8M. They didnt list how much cap space we have but his dead cap hit will be $13.4M with $49.4M in cap savings, so thats when the Dolphins can get out of the contract without any significant salary cap consequences.
 
Feverdream said:
One question that the OP presented was the idea that we might now sign someone else with the cap space created by this signing.... and while I suppose this is theoretically possible, I doubt it for several reasons.

1) The front office keeps saying they are happy with what we've got. I believe them.
2) I'm not sure there's anyone worthwhile left. Most of what's left is more name than current game.
3) ...and most importantly, any unspent money rolls over to next year when we'll actually need it.

I'll be both surprised and honestly, pissed off if we sign anyone this late in the process... UNLESS it's for chump change.
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yes...but i asked either that or extend some of their existing guys. there has to be some reason they created extra cap space this year, instead of absorbing space this year and having less of a hit in future years which is what i would have guessed. at any rate thanks for actually reading the OP and addressing one of the issues. my guess is you are right, not much to add now, so i suspect they use that space on someone on the roster who gets a restructure. has to be tyreek or jevon holland would be my guess
 
Feverdream said:
In general... when you extend a player, your immediate cap cost goes down. If we were to extend Holland, it would be very unlikely that we'd use more of this year's cap. Just like with the Tua extension... the current year number declines.

Teams tend to extend players early in the process in order to create cap space to sign expensive players during the first free agent period... but that is long passed now.
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that is true too, which is why i cant figure out why they created more cap space this year, and made it a bigger hit in future years, if there is nothing they need the space for this year. probably wont add anyone, and as you point out, when they restructure, usually the current years hit is lowered, and not increased. but the answer may be, a tyreek restructure is also a pay increase that overwhelms everything, for example. i honestly cannot figure it out though
 
phinsforlife said:
that is true too, which is why i cant figure out why they created more cap space this year, and made it a bigger hit in future years, if there is nothing they need the space for this year. probably wont add anyone, and as you point out, when they restructure, usually the current years hit is lowered, and not increased. but the answer may be, a tyreek restructure is also a pay increase that overwhelms everything, for example. i honestly cannot figure it out though
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The space created is largely meaningless as most of it should just roll over into next year. I don't believe that the contract was written this way to create space, merely that the space was created as a side effect of Tua's new bonus money.

Next year, we're over the cap by a large margin... and a number of restructures and a few releases are going to happen.

My best guess... Armstead released and Holland walks.. but that's just to start. There will be more... a lot more.
 
phinzfan21 said:
I'm glad this is it's own thread too.
And apparently its good to just spam a thread complaining about it being a new thread over and over.
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What the brother was trying to say is we have enough of the threads already. Reading is fundamental and great in expanding one’s knowledge. :ffic:
 
Feverdream said:
The space created is largely meaningless as most of it should just roll over into next year. I don't believe that the contract was written this way to create space, merely that the space was created as a side effect of Tua's new bonus money.

Next year, we're over the cap by a large margin... and a number of restructures and a few releases are going to happen.

My best guess... Armstead released and Holland walks.. but that's just to start. There will be more... a lot more.
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We aren’t.

Over the cap has a 250 million for next years cap which we are over 44 million however everyone knows the cap won’t be 250 million. It’s 275 million this year and almost 0 chance it goes down as they continue to add streaming deals. Cap won’t be lower than 285 and we currently have 17 million in space that we’ll probably roll over all if not 5-10 atleast.

A more accurate projection should have us around even maybe even 5-10 million under not including armstead most likely retiring saving us a bunch. Still need to sign Holland and long is a free agent so will be a little sticky but we aren’t in horrible shape.
 
phinzfan21 said:
Nobody should be expected to read through 50+ pages just in hopes of finding one specific aspect to talk about. Frankly nobody should be so upset about this thread being made.
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it seems the dolphins did ok and somewhat protected themselves,and this is why the deal took so long to get done.
 
MARINO1384 said:
We aren’t.

Over the cap has a 250 million for next years cap which we are over 44 million however everyone knows the cap won’t be 250 million. It’s 275 million this year and almost 0 chance it goes down as they continue to add streaming deals. Cap won’t be lower than 285 and we currently have 17 million in space that we’ll probably roll over all if not 5-10 atleast.

A more accurate projection should have us around even maybe even 5-10 million under not including armstead most likely retiring saving us a bunch. Still need to sign Holland and long is a free agent so will be a little sticky but we aren’t in horrible shape.
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over the cap seems to have this year at 255mm and next year at 260mm then 2026 spiking to 284mm and 2027 to 314mm...tua's cap hits really start to come into play in 2026 and 2027. so the dolphins have at least matched tuas cap hits to when more cap space is available, which takes some pressure off, assuming over the cap is directionally correct: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
 
So the contract basically has an out after 3 years. Grier did about as decent as he good with the market rising.

Happy to have our QB locked up. Now Let’s win the division
 
Ozfin said:
Here you go @BROGS @Dolphin North


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@Feverdream may be able to add to this.
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Thx for sharing. This is interesting. I think things like this where the Dolphins held the line to protect themselves are why it took so long for a deal. My guess is Tua and his side eventually caved, in part because the Dolphins perspective was not unreasonable all things being considered (Tua injury history, not won a playoff game and faded down the stretch last year, etc). So the deal seems like a reasonable compromise. Tua is still getting alot of money, and the Dolphins are protected if things go sideways:

A Potential Out Discussion​


Miami was able to draw a pretty thick line in the sand after 2026 here. Even after they convert the $25M roster bonus for next season into signing bonus (and assuming no other conversion), the Dolphins will only be strapped with $34.8M of dead cap to move on before the 2027 campaign. ($3M of that comes in the form of fully guaranteed 2027 salary)

2027 should be the line of demarcation for both sides here. If it’s not working out, the Dolphins can and will bail. If it’s still full steam ahead, Tua should be aggressively seeking a contract extension after 2026, especially with “only” $37M allocated to the 2027 season.
 
Feverdream said:
The space created is largely meaningless as most of it should just roll over into next year. I don't believe that the contract was written this way to create space, merely that the space was created as a side effect of Tua's new bonus money.

Next year, we're over the cap by a large margin... and a number of restructures and a few releases are going to happen.

My best guess... Armstead released and Holland walks.. but that's just to start. There will be more... a lot more.
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who knows but maybe tyreeks deal is why they created the space this year...atypical but it can be done:

It remains to be seen what the Dolphins will do, if anything. He’s due to make $19.665 million this year, $22.935 million in 2025, and a phony-baloney $45 million in 2026. (That big final-year payment artificially drove his new-money average from $25 million to $30 million.) One easy solution would be to move some of the money from 2026 to 2024. The Dolphins could also guarantee some of next year’s money.

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With Tua Tagovailoa deal done, attention turns to Tyreek Hill

Will Hill get a raise? If so, how much will Miami pay?
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