They could put him on IR before he’s cleared and choose not to activate him with one of their allotted activations. There isn’t much he could do about that.
Tua has no plans to retire
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He’ll get independent assessments as well
Sticky Gloves
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He will, but the concussion protocols require the team doctor (Dolphins employee) and the independent doctor (NFL employee) clear him.
He can go out and get independent assessments, but they don't determine if he's cleared to play or not. The only way they come into play is if he's cleared, and he doesn't want to play and brings those doctors and assessments into arbitration.
The independent assessments aren’t truly independent. They are still NFL affiliated, which is why there is so much scrutiny over their actual independence from the league.
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The question is going to be -- and I don't know the answer -- who has to clear Tua? The team's doctor? A league doctor? A neurologist of his choosing?
This article (https://www.outkick.com/sports/dolphins-flux-even-tua-tagovailoa-would-initially-like-keep-playing) addressing the three potential options:
Option #1: Tua is not cleared to play. The article suggests that those cases occur but are very rare.
Option #2: Tua is cleared to play.
Option #3: Tua is cleared to play BUT with ominous warnings going forward.
First of all, it shouldn't be alarming that Tua -- prior to meeting with neurologists -- has no plans to retire. Even if considering it prior to meeting them, he should hear from medical experts before making a decision. In the case of #3, Tua may want to retire and then it may become an issue of how much of his contract he would get paid. Regardless of what he is paid I believe Miami would be hit with the guaranteed money he's owed toward the cap and while there could be negotiations between the team and Tua's agents, my guess is that if he is medically cleared and retires anyway that he'll receive the guaranteed money. For the team, it's more about the cap hit and not the actual dollars and if it isn't going to make a difference in cap hit, they might be better off paying him the guaranteed money as that is a better look in terms of current players as well as future free agents.
You’re disgusted by going off precedence rather than emotion?
Not only do they have more concussions but they were also subjected to much harder more common hits. Helmet to helmet wasn’t added as a penalty until 2002, after both retired. Both not only have more concussions but even their subconcussive hits were way more powerful and often than what Tua has been subjected to at all three levels of play.
Facts not feelings are the only thing that matter bud
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Um it is different then people riding without a helmet - these people are not watched by crowds worldwide in real time.
In a way you’re right tho - McD and Grier made us all participants in watching Tua be unprotected bc they are SO damn sure of leaving him behind guys on an online that quite frankly they could have cut and no other team would have wanted them. That’s like driving a motorcycle without a helmet.
People forget if you or any loved one is God forbid involved in ACCIDENTLY killing another person you or your loved one’s life is permanently altered in a very negative way.
Grier and McD should be fired and fans like me are disgusted that we had to watch this crap!
We are a laughing stock!
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Thanks, I wasn't sure who would have to clear the player. That said, there isn't a timeline on that, is there? So technically if a player is concussed, he would either be cleared to play or not cleared to play at the time of the examination. I don't think that a team of NFL neurologist would make an assessment saying 'you will never be cleared to play' whereas an independent neurologist may give an assessment and state to Tua that they can not see ever clearing him. In other words, the NFL/team doctor is more about clearing a player at one specific time but not really assessing the long term.
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I don't think what that article is saying is accurate, "Tagovailoa is visiting neurologists for testing in the coming days. And those doctors and tests will go a long way in deciding his future. So he faces two obvious options."
Unless those neurologists are employees of the NFL, they have no say in his future.
The protocol is clear, the team doctor has to clear and then the independent NFL neurologist has to clear. Under the NFL's Concussion Protocol, any player diagnosed with a concussion cannot return to practice or play until cleared by both the team doctor and an independent neurological consultant (NFL employee).
Obviously, those doctors can take opinions of other doctors, colloborate, ect...but ultimately it's up to those two people.
It’s mediocrity for the foreseeable future and risking tuas health. Or we suck and he retires.
I m 37 those are the only feelings I know as A dolphin fan. I kind of wanted him to retire with his money, it’s not like we’re going anywhere anytime soon.
He’s Kirk cousins of the afc, with concussion issues
I m 37 those are the only feelings I know as A dolphin fan. I kind of wanted him to retire with his money, it’s not like we’re going anywhere anytime soon.
He’s Kirk cousins of the afc, with concussion issues
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No I think he probably should retire. And Miami has to look into getting a QB that can stay healthy. And I voiced that opinion. What I won't be like is people like you trying to act like I am a doctor and know what's best for someone else. Let the Doctors and the person himself decided. He is informed. He isn't taking drugs or jumping of a bridge you numb nuts, so don't act like he is.
If Miami cut Tua today you would jump for joy. And if another team signed him tomorrow you would fall off your high horse and wouldn't care at all.
Me as a Dolphins fan, thinks Miami absolutely needs to find a way to move on. That is just how it is I think Tua was a good QB and could have been much better without the injuries. But it is a violent job. Players know this and that is why they get paid millions. That is also why players get paid (holdouts) as much and fast as they can, they know it all could be over tomorrow.
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Ya we could bench him but that is dumb. Just cut his ass and take the big cap hit and move on.
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The timeline is also spelled out in the NFL's protocol after the doctors clear him to return. The player must progress through stages, such as light aerobic exercise, non-contact training, and full-contact practice, without a recurrence of symptoms before being fully cleared.
Basically, if Tua wants to play. I think the only party with vested interest to stop him from playing is the NFL due to the optics. The Dolphins due to the contract situation, would want to clear him. If Tua DOESN'T want to play, then that's where REAL independent neurologist would get involved and then it would head to arbitration.
If the concussion doesn't fit, you must commit !!!
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Regardless of my personal and unprofessional opinion, which is that of a Tuanon since day 1 — I want him to retire and focus on his family……. I never once expected that to be his decision if he can be medically cleared.
Tua breathes football, and despite his prone to injury on the field, mentally he’s as tough as they come.
edit: to add, I think the Dolphins MUST invest a first round pick on a QB regardless.
Tua breathes football, and despite his prone to injury on the field, mentally he’s as tough as they come.
edit: to add, I think the Dolphins MUST invest a first round pick on a QB regardless.