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TUA INJURY UPDATE THREAD

My guess is the Dolphins for PR purposes also fires their doctor. Then the NFL comes out with additional procedural controls.

Most concerning thing for Tua is he had 2 concussions in 4 days. That's so bad. Like it's not 2x worse, it's exponentially worse that can lead to long term dementia.
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
But yeah t

sp the PA just terminates contracts to Drs (that cleared on Sunday) that have NOTHING to do with the situation? Ahhhh got it. I guess that is a take.

Let me ask you do Doctors ALWAYS nail diagnosis with 100% accuracy in your world?
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Oddly enough, you keep painting a picture that leads to a single conclusion - terminate the NFL.

Also, if you truly believe what you are writing, your participation as a fan is disgusting.

YOU ARE RISKING PEOPLE"S LIVES FOR YOUR OWN ENTERTAINMENT.
 
Danny said:
the problem with what you're saying is, Tua didn’t have a concussion or else he wouldn’t have been so good in the 2nd half and then did the PC and everything else was fine and was playing well in Cincy before this happened. A guy that really had a concussion would not have been able to do all those things. People just want to find something wrong with anything the Dolphins do no matter what.

We actually have a good team this year and people just refuses to accept that.
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Marino2.0 said:
So on 1 and 2, the NFLPA is literally negotiating against that because the players don’t want it.

On 3, the whole point is that the doctors who evaluated Tua determined that him stumbling was not a concussion symptom. They determined it was his back. He landed on his back even more so than his head and had a preexisting back injury and he himself said it was his back.

And even if all of these policies existed, it wouldn’t have changed anything. He might not have returned vs. the Bills, but he still would’ve played vs. the Bengals after passing all of his evaluations. So he would’ve suffered the exact same injury.

Sometimes stuff just happens, man. We still don’t know and never will know whether Tua was concussed against the Bills. But even with absolutely perfect procedures, if a player can pass an in-patient medical evaluation without demonstrating any concussion symptoms and he is willing to lie about his own symptoms in order to play, there is really not a lot that can be done in terms of sensible protocols to keep that player out.

One day I’m sure we’ll have a very simple machine that can test and tell you whether someone has a concussion. We’re not there yet. This is not a problem that can be solved with 100% effectiveness in the interim.
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I added another point NO contact Mandatory for 7 days after the blow to the head that dither displayed concussion symptoms.

Error on the side of caution take the subjectivity out of it. There easy.
 
Marino2.0 said:
I get the explanation, but this solves nothing. So now if any player trips or stumbles for any reason, they’re out of the game? I’ve seen perfectly healthy players stumble over their own feet on their way to the end zone. Is that gross motor instability? If not, how on Earth do you define instability such that it covers a guy stumbling but not a guy tripping over his own feet?

And even if he’s out of the game, then what? There is no actual science that’s going to say it’s not safe for a concussed player to return to action after 4 days, but it is safe after 7 days. So Thursday vs. Sunday is a non-issue. And assuming the player reports no symptoms and the medical exams identify no symptoms, you’re back in exactly the same spot. Tua may not have finished the Bills game, but he’d still be playing against the Bengals, and you’d get the same outcome.
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Yeah I mean it’s a double edged sword damned if you do damned if you dont
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
And yes guys with concussion still can play football at a good level. Has happened forever. So that is a complete strawman argument. They can even talk.

Hell grade 1s you might not display ANY symptoms but does that mean you didn’t have one?
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Clearly anything that was wrong with Tua was not that bad or else, like I said before he wouldn’t have been able to do as good as he did. People have an agenda and it's showing
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
Sure

1. Mandate all pads (including mouth piece)
2. Mandate All Shells on Helmets
3. And blow to the head followed by any symptom no question asked sit for the rest of the game return to play evaluations start 24 hours later
4. Common Sense ALWAYS error on the side of player safety not return to play.
5. Mandatory 7 day period of no contact (yes that will force missed games but see bullet 4).
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Why are you supporting a league that hasn't done this? How do you sleep at night?
 
Danny said:
Clearly anything that was wrong with Tua was not that bad or else, like I said before he wouldn’t have been able to do as good as he did. People have an agenda and it's showing
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Dude ever have any concussion your argument is the same argument on knees. Clearly didn’t tear his ACL he was walking on the leg right?
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
I added another point NO contact Mandatory for 7 days after the blow to the head that dither displayed concussion symptoms.

Error on the side of caution take the subjectivity out of it. There easy.
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Why 7 days? There is no science that says 4 days vs. 7 days makes any difference. And what if you just happen to be playing on a Monday night the following week? Then the guy can play?

This stuff is all arbitrary and doesn’t address the key issue. The bottom line is that you really can’t do better than an independent neurologist evaluating the player and making the call. If the doctor screws up, the doctor screws up. That’s how all of medicine works.
 
Swiss said:
My guess is the Dolphins for PR purposes also fires their doctor. Then the NFL comes out with additional procedural controls.

Most concerning thing for Tua is he had 2 concussions in 4 days. That's so bad. Like it's not 2x worse, it's exponentially worse that can lead to long term dementia.
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Would be absolutely nuts for the Dolphins to fire their doctor and suggest they did anything wrong. They didn’t. They gave Tua the appropriate tests, and he passed them.

And 2 concussions in 4 days is supposition. All medical evidence suggests he was not concussed against the Bills.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
So, multiple missed games for any head contact, right?
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It would have been 1 with my protocol if employed on Tua.

But yet. Head contact that triggers a display of concussion or trauma shaking cobwebs, instability, unconsciousness etc etc YEP 7 days mandatory before return to play protocol can start. What is your issue with that?

Unless player safety isn’t something you worry about and if that’s the case fine I can get fans that don’t care as long as their team is winning. And I don’t hold that against them. This is a violent sport and the players are paid highly for that entertainment.

But put the reality out there don’t be like the league every 5 minutes talking about player safety then doing the complete opposite
 
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