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Tua's only real 'problem' in '21 was lack of support On the field

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For as much hand-wringing and consternation about scheme, playcalling or emotional support from Flores, what held Tua back was lack of talented/skilled players at offensive line and receivers getting open.
All the 'rah rah' crap and Xs and Os hoopla aside, until Miami’s players can win or break even doing Their Jobs, our O will struggle and Tua wont look great.
So, that's Still Grier and there's clouds in the forecast until there arent.

My .02.
 
Tua is a multi-threaded dilemma. I don't know where you want to start, but our offense as a whole with the exception of Waddle, is a problem. Tua won't be your qb if someone like Josh Allen is red hot and putting points on the board. And if we somehow have the receivers to support him, and the line to have a consistent ground game, then perhaps we can see Tua improve a bit better.
 
So my issue is that we haven't really asked Tua to even do the things most NFL QB are asked to consistently.

When we have, hes failed on his own accord. Could be coaching and other issues involved too.

He gets one more year to put it together, from me anyway. Anything beyond that will be a massive waste of time.
 
Any true reading on Tua would include a HC who believes in him, a creative OC + an OL rated at least as mediocre, RBs that will keep the opposing D honest and at least one more WR who can get separation.
 
I like Tua and everything you said is true. However, he needs to stay healthy and he definitely missed some throws he has to make. How much of that is happy feet because of a horrible O-Line? We shall see and hopefully can address that. I also wonder how much that finger was still bothering him, especially during the cold at the Titans. I said this in another thread, I broke the tip of my finger playing football and it took a solid 6 months to really get back to any resemblance of normal...and that was with proper rest. It still hurts like hell when I bang it and that was like 20 years ago LOL.

Bottom line, yes he needs support, he was better than Brissett, but he needs to play better as well!
 
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ChitownPhins28 said:
For as much hand-wringing and consternation about scheme, playcalling or emotional support from Flores, what held Tua back was lack of talented/skilled players at offensive line and receivers getting open.
All the 'rah rah' crap and Xs and Os hoopla aside, until Miami’s players can win or break even doing Their Jobs, our O will struggle and Tua wont look great.
So, that's Still Grier and there's clouds in the forecast until there arent.

My .02.
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i agree about the lack of performance (performers) surrounding Tua ... I know he can do better with better players and I think most Qb's would ... I want to see more grit/determination when the stuff hits the fan ... win or lose it's better for me to see the Qb making plays out of left field when necessary ... I agree " until Miami’s players can win or break even doing Their Jobs, our O will struggle " ... I think Tua deserves to be included.
 
ChitownPhins28 said:
For as much hand-wringing and consternation about scheme, playcalling or emotional support from Flores, what held Tua back was lack of talented/skilled players at offensive line and receivers getting open.
All the 'rah rah' crap and Xs and Os hoopla aside, until Miami’s players can win or break even doing Their Jobs, our O will struggle and Tua wont look great.
So, that's Still Grier and there's clouds in the forecast until there arent.

My .02.
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Don't disagree, but I'd add lack of "support" for the entire O. Poor HC. Poor OL coach. Poor OC. Poor play design. Poor player selection. I'll not continue. I've said this before - my HS coach. 'If 1-2 of you play poorly, that's your fault and I'll fix it. If all of you play poorly, that's my fault and I'll fix it.' I saw no effort by Flo to 'fix it.'
 
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67Stang said:
I like Tua and everything you said is true. However, he needs to stay healthy and he definitely missed some throws he has to make. How much of that is happy feet because of a horrible O-Line? We shall see and hopefully can address that. I also wonder how much that finger was still bothering him, especially during the cold at the Titans. I said this in another thread, I broke the tip of my finger playing football and it took a solid 6 months to really get back to and resemblance of normal...and that was with proper rest. It still hurts like hell when I bang it and that was like 20 years ago LOL.

Bottom line, yes he needs support, he was better than Brissett, but he needs to play better as well!
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Every QB misses some throws they should make, but they fail a Lot more when facing extraordinary pressure and no one's open. That's On-Field stuff.
Pat Mahomes looked Awful in last year's Superbowl. Well, his reality that day is what Dolphins QBs have been surrounded with on a regular basis for YEARS. it mostly wrecked Tannehill's tenure and will wreck everything going forward until it's addressed. Andy Reid and Bienemy didnt suddenly 'get stupid' that day. However, they did get beat by Cincy's D coaches to a degree 10 days ago.
 
Excuses next year will include and not limited to:

1. This is an entirely new playbook and system. He needs more time to learn it!
2. Chris Kouffman tweet.
3. 3 OCs in 3 years.
4. The offensive line is bad.
5. Tua doesn't have enough weapons
 
Dolphins are not that good at drafting qb. Tua will be another thill17..Tua will put it all together in 3 to 5 yr down road w another team...Tua was draft too high. It will take time...put some wr around him and make him throw ball like other good qb.
 
Delvin said:
Excuses next year will include and not limited to:

1. This is an entirely new playbook and system. He needs more time to learn it!
2. Chris Kouffman tweet.
3. 3 OCs in 3 years.
4. The offensive line is bad.
5. Tua doesn't have enough weapons
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Excuses from the other side will include:

1.The defense carries the team
2. The YAC by his WRs makes his stats look better than they are
3. Still can’t throw 65 air yards consistently
4. The running game makes this offense
5. It’s year 3, of course he should improve
 
rent this space said:
Excuses from the other side will include:

1.The defense carries the team
2. The YAC by his WRs makes his stats look better than they are
3. Still can’t throw 65 air yards consistently
4. The running game makes this offense
5. It’s year 3, of course he should improve
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He's been below average statistically for two years now. This side doesn't need excuses.
 
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