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Two different Daunte's

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A quarter into the season it is as if we have two different #8s out there playing according to the fans. So the debate rages whether Daunte is any good or not for at least another week at finheaven. Daunte Non-lovers see a lost and confused QB. Daunte lovers say his numbers aren't that bad and it isn't his fault. Two different Dauntes. These are his numbers so far.

81 comp, 134 att, 60.4 %, 929 yds, 2 TD, 3 picks, 77 QB rating

These are not terrible statistics. In fact, they remind me a lot of the statistics some guy named Joey Harrington put up in Detriot the past two years (if you decrease completion percentage and increase TD passes that is). Wait, isn't Harrington's numbers the reason he shouldn't be playing?

But statistics always should be looked at in the "context" in which they occured to get a true picture. The following is a little more reflective of the two different Daunte's we actually have playing right now.

When Miami has chance in ballgame and needs Daunte to step up play:

61 comp, 106 att, 57.5%, 693 yds, 6.5 yds per att, 0 TD, 3 picks 65.5 QB rating

When Miaimi is loosing by 8 or more points in 4th quarter (Bills and Texans) and other team is in a soft / prevent defense:

20 comp, 28 att, 71.4%, 236 yds, 8.4 yds per att, 2 TD, 0 picks, 120.5 QB rating

So in a sense we do have two different Dauntes. The one when the game is being determined and the one when the game has been determined (or at the very least the other team has a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter).

Next week we will be facing our toughest game yet IMO. I fully expect Daunte to put up his best numbers yet bc if he plays like he has against the worst defenses in the league the past couple of weeks I expect NE will drop into their soft defense sometime in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Daunte should really be able to put up big numbers by the end of the game. Yet, the only stats that really matter is Miami will probably be 1-4 and out of the playoff hunt.

So for Daunte non-lovers another week of saying WTF. But for Daunte lovers another week of saying look at the numbers it isn't his fault. They aren't so bad. And the debate will continue on and on...
 
Its the same Daunte, actually its gonna be a better Daunte when he'll be 100% healed, but right now, is the O-Line factor which makes him look different...
 
Talk about massaging stats to fit your own biased opinion. How is the game determined when we're 2 pts away from tying it up? Try again.
 
ralexand said:
Talk about massaging stats to fit your own biased opinion. How is the game determined when we're 2 pts away from tying it up? Try again.

If you read correctly it indicates "8 points or more." Daunte did not throw a single pass when Miami was only 2 pts away. The Texans stopped blitzing and played soft on the final drive. Good try...
 
RenoFinFan said:
If you read correctly it indicates "8 points or more." Daunte did not throw a single pass when Miami was only 2 pts away. The Texans stopped blitzing and played soft on the final drive. Good try...
Tivo it, they were playing man to man and still blitzing on the final drive. Good try...
 
RenoFinFan said:
If you read correctly it indicates "8 points or more." Daunte did not throw a single pass when Miami was only 2 pts away. The Texans stopped blitzing and played soft on the final drive. Good try...

You should do 9 points or more instead, because 8 points can be one possesion, clearly not garbage time.
 
RenoFinFan said:
A quarter into the season it is as if we have two different #8s out there playing according to the fans. So the debate rages whether Daunte is any good or not for at least another week at finheaven. Daunte Non-lovers see a lost and confused QB. Daunte lovers say his numbers aren't that bad and it isn't his fault. Two different Dauntes. These are his numbers so far.

81 comp, 134 att, 60.4 %, 929 yds, 2 TD, 3 picks, 77 QB rating

These are not terrible statistics. In fact, they remind me a lot of the statistics some guy named Joey Harrington put up in Detriot the past two years (if you decrease completion percentage and increase TD passes that is). Wait, isn't Harrington's numbers the reason he shouldn't be playing?

But statistics always should be looked at in the "context" in which they occured to get a true picture. The following is a little more reflective of the two different Daunte's we actually have playing right now.

When Miami has chance in ballgame and needs Daunte to step up play:

61 comp, 106 att, 57.5%, 693 yds, 6.5 yds per att, 0 TD, 3 picks 65.5 QB rating

When Miaimi is loosing by 8 or more points in 4th quarter (Bills and Texans) and other team is in a soft / prevent defense:

20 comp, 28 att, 71.4%, 236 yds, 8.4 yds per att, 2 TD, 0 picks, 120.5 QB rating

So in a sense we do have two different Dauntes. The one when the game is being determined and the one when the game has been determined (or at the very least the other team has a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter).

Next week we will be facing our toughest game yet IMO. I fully expect Daunte to put up his best numbers yet bc if he plays like he has against the worst defenses in the league the past couple of weeks I expect NE will drop into their soft defense sometime in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Daunte should really be able to put up big numbers by the end of the game. Yet, the only stats that really matter is Miami will probably be 1-4 and out of the playoff hunt.

So for Daunte non-lovers another week of saying WTF. But for Daunte lovers another week of saying look at the numbers it isn't his fault. They aren't so bad. And the debate will continue on and on...

With the offensive line we have Daunte is going to be in hell next week. We will problably give up like 25 sacks in the game, and Daunte (who by the way seems like he is playing in slow motion and out of sync) wont even be able to tell the score by the end. This season has been very dissapointed and I was afraid of that. Everybody just kept talking about winning the division or the conference, and the team was so confident. The defense kept saying "we are better this year becuase we've been under the system". Everybody forgot that there are 16 weeks of football in between all that. Fellow fin fans its going to be a long season. Sorry for getting of the subject, needed to let it out.:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Dolfan984 said:
You should do 9 points or more instead, because 8 points can be one possesion, clearly not garbage time.

The reason I said 8 or more is bc that is the time defenses played "soft" and Daunte put up his big numbers this year. I am not bringing up the issue as to whether Daunte is a money player with the game on the line. That is not even up for debate. His career 39 - 45 record as a starter shows he is not a money player. If you take away his first year record (11 - 5) Daunte is 28 - 40 as a starter. His first year as a starter he walked into one of the best offenses ever assembled around him (Moss, Carter, O-line, Robert Smith). He further demonstrated it against Pitt this year. Daunte is simply "NOT" a winner even when he puts up good numbers.
 
bigguy1381 said:
Tivo it, they were playing man to man and still blitzing on the final drive. Good try...
Do you understand that "soft" means the DBs play off the receiver and allow for the underneath stuff to go unchallanged. I recall listening to the announcers of the game during the final drive the play before the TD pass to CC. One said what got into Miami's offense they have not moved the ball all day and now they are. In which the other replied it is bc the Texans have gone to a soft defense.

According to Daunte lovers the reason he puts up such horrible numbers is bc of the o-line, receivers drop balls, mularkey. So the options for why Daunte has put up big numbers when Miami is 8 or more down in the 4th quarter are:

A) The Bills and Texans defense played "soft"

B) The o-line, receivers, and mularkely magically stepped up

C) Daunte ignored mularkeys call and called his own play. Then Daunte escaped the d-line with his incredible mobility, after throwing the ball Daunte then ran downfield and caught it and gently placed it in the WRs hands.

I don't know about you, but option A) seems most likely.

Amazing how Daunte lovers make use every excuse imaginable why it isn't his fault when he puts up poor numbers, but then try to give him full credit when he puts up decent numbers.
 
RenoFinFan said:
81 comp, 134 att, 60.4 %, 929 yds, 2 TD, 3 picks, 77 QB rating

These are not terrible statistics. In fact, they remind me a lot of the statistics some guy named Joey Harrington put up in Detriot the past two years (if you decrease completion percentage and increase TD passes that is). Wait, isn't Harrington's numbers the reason he shouldn't be playing?
Two of these games were against the 31st and 32 ranked defenses, the worst two defenses in the NFL (Houston and Tennesee.) Our first four opponents have a combined record of 4-11 (3 of those wins coming from beating Miami.) Wait till he plays Chicago or Kansas City then tell me if his stats are still decent.
 
diane said:
Two of these games were against the 31st and 32 ranked defenses, the worst two defenses in the NFL (Houston and Tennesee.) Our first four opponents have a combined record of 4-11 (3 of those wins coming from beating Miami.) Wait till he plays Chicago or Kansas City then tell me if his stats are still decent.
When did KC get a dominant defense?
 
RenoFinFan said:
A quarter into the season it is as if we have two different #8s out there playing according to the fans. So the debate rages whether Daunte is any good or not for at least another week at finheaven. Daunte Non-lovers see a lost and confused QB. Daunte lovers say his numbers aren't that bad and it isn't his fault. Two different Dauntes. These are his numbers so far.

81 comp, 134 att, 60.4 %, 929 yds, 2 TD, 3 picks, 77 QB rating

These are not terrible statistics. In fact, they remind me a lot of the statistics some guy named Joey Harrington put up in Detriot the past two years (if you decrease completion percentage and increase TD passes that is). Wait, isn't Harrington's numbers the reason he shouldn't be playing?

But statistics always should be looked at in the "context" in which they occured to get a true picture. The following is a little more reflective of the two different Daunte's we actually have playing right now.

When Miami has chance in ballgame and needs Daunte to step up play:

61 comp, 106 att, 57.5%, 693 yds, 6.5 yds per att, 0 TD, 3 picks 65.5 QB rating

When Miaimi is loosing by 8 or more points in 4th quarter (Bills and Texans) and other team is in a soft / prevent defense:

20 comp, 28 att, 71.4%, 236 yds, 8.4 yds per att, 2 TD, 0 picks, 120.5 QB rating


So in a sense we do have two different Dauntes. The one when the game is being determined and the one when the game has been determined (or at the very least the other team has a comfortable lead in the 4th quarter).

Next week we will be facing our toughest game yet IMO. I fully expect Daunte to put up his best numbers yet bc if he plays like he has against the worst defenses in the league the past couple of weeks I expect NE will drop into their soft defense sometime in the middle of the 3rd quarter. Daunte should really be able to put up big numbers by the end of the game. Yet, the only stats that really matter is Miami will probably be 1-4 and out of the playoff hunt.

So for Daunte non-lovers another week of saying WTF. But for Daunte lovers another week of saying look at the numbers it isn't his fault. They aren't so bad. And the debate will continue on and on...

I think the first category, when Daunte needs to step up, Mularkey was calling the plays. And we were in the no-huddle(no-mularkey) offense in the other.

quick note: Culpepper hasn't thrown an int in two games.
 
RenoFinFan said:
The reason I said 8 or more is bc that is the time defenses played "soft" and Daunte put up his big numbers this year. I am not bringing up the issue as to whether Daunte is a money player with the game on the line. That is not even up for debate. His career 39 - 45 record as a starter shows he is not a money player. If you take away his first year record (11 - 5) Daunte is 28 - 40 as a starter. His first year as a starter he walked into one of the best offenses ever assembled around him (Moss, Carter, O-line, Robert Smith). He further demonstrated it against Pitt this year. Daunte is simply "NOT" a winner even when he puts up good numbers.
How do you know when their defense played soft? You got the game film? Are you talking to the Houston coaches in the booth? Were you even at the game? Is that soft play the reason Daunte got erased on a blitz when he threw the TD?
 
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