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The first would be that people would stop insisting that anything short of playing every regular season game while still at least "in the picture" or not mathematically eliminated from playoff contention is a success. Winning 7 games is not successful just because we only won once last year.

First of all, this isnt last season. Last year was a complete disgrace. What happened last season should have no baring at all on what the barameter is for success.

To me, success is victory. The goal of every team is to ultimately become a world champion. And while I do realize you cant turn a team that just wasnt talented the previous season into a world beater in one year, you can however become competative again. When you consider the players we got back from injury, last years record wasnt indicative of what the roster was capable of.

We had a horrible coach. We dont now. Sparano isnt the best, but I like the attitude he has instilled in the team. We also had the worst QBs you could possibly have and call yourself and NFL team. This year we dont. We have a proven winner that knows how to win running our offense. Those two things alone change things a great deal.

Back to my point. The goal is always to become a world champion. Thats the whole point of playing. At least it is for winners. Some people(like JT) simply play for fame and paychecks. Well we need to rid ourselves of those type of guys and get guys with the attitude Im talking about.

Sorry....I get off on a tangent....back to the point again.........

So basically the goal for every team should be to play all 16 regular season games and still be playing to get into the playoffs. Seeing as to win the title, you must get in the playoffs. If you are still mathematically alive going into the last game, then youve made a respectable run at it. Once you get into the playoffs, its anyones tournament to win. The hottest team is capable of winning at any venue vs. any team. Weve seen wildcard teams win the title before.

Having said all of this, THIS IS THE NFL. And if you havent noticed, each and every week, the difference in winning and losing is VERY SLIM. It usually comes down to ONE play that did or could have made the difference in victory. So each and every team has a LEGIT shot to win each and every week. The teams who wind up in the playoffs are the teams who came out on top of these situations more often than not. And the difference in those teams IS NOT MUCH.

Therefore its ridiculous IMHO to believe that we arent capable of winning enough games to be in the mix all the way to the Meadowlands in late December for the final regular season contest vs. the Jets. We just blew a game where any number of plays couldve been the single play that gave us a victory instead of a loss.

At 3-2 we would be right in the mix with anyone else. Hell, at 2-3 we ARE right there in the mix. All we have to do is start winning these games when we have the opportunities. Make the plays at the end to come through. Its not like we are that far away from 4-1 and on top of the division right now. Its ridiculous for our fans to suggest they would be satisfied with 7 wins just because we havent been a good team the last few years.

Which leads me to my second wish........STOP pretending you can attribute wins and losses to teams down the line or if they were playing "team X". This is the NFL. You cant do that. This isnt college ball when you get to play South Carolina school for the deaf after you play an SEC team. I was just reading that Matt Ryan thread where someone "knows" that Atlanta would be 1-4 vs. the same schedule we just played. BS. No one knows. They could be 5-0 as easily as they could be 0-5. ITS THE NFL.

Just like I told a bunch of people all week how everyone was hyping up the NFC East as if it were so much better than every other division....BS. Everyone just swore the skins were a LOCK to be 7-1 at the bye. I was like, since when can you just guarentee 3 more wins in a row in the NFL. I dont care who youre playing. And look what happened. Not only did Washington lose to the Rams, the Giants lost to the Browns, and the all mighty Cowboys lost to the Cards(that one I expected btw. Anyone who really knows the league knows that the Cards are TOUGH at home winning 9 or their last 11 there and I think 6 straight).

Truth is the NFC East MIGHT be the best division, although Im not certain that the AFC East and NFC South arent better. But, even if it is the best, it certainly isnt by much. Perhaps Washington got overhyped because the two teams they beat on the road, the Eagles and Cowboys, simply arent as good as everyone thought they were.

Reality is the Cowboys are no better than about 15-20 other teams in this league. Their offense is certainly better than most teams, however defensively they have serious flaws, starting with that secondary. Also, their QB is the most overrated player in the game and happens to be a turnover machine who also cant come through in the clutch without choking. IMHO they are better off getting rid of Romo. I dont think they will ever be a championship team with him at QB and the more stats he rakes up, the harder it will be to justify getting rid of him.

Again, the difference in winning and losing in this league is a very thin line. You can say are schedule isnt the toughest, and I have. Ive stated many times that if we can get to 4-4 that we would have a good shot to win 6 of the last 8 and get into the playoffs. But, at the same time its not as if any of these games are gimmies. None are. We could just as easily go 2-14 as we could go 13-3. If we play as well as we did in our two wins each week, we can beat any team at any venue really. If we play like last week, we will get beaten by most every team in the league. Lets face it, we were LUCKY to even be in that game last week the way Houston moved the ball on us. Thats what makes it more heartbreaking that we had a golden shot to steal that win. Because wins are so hard to come by in the NFL.

So lets stop pretending that it matters a great deal about what the schedule is. It does matter some and like I said, our schedule is favorable to us down the stretch. But, lets also not pretend we can just apply wins and losses to teams based on who they are playing. Any team in this league, even the bungles, will beat your *** on Sunday if you arent ready to bring your best game. Dont believe me.....ask the Redskins.

And you should also not pretend btw, that any team who is 4-1 right now is not playing good football, no matter which teams they have beaten. Especially if we play 14 of the same games ourselves. That paragraph was just for someone who seems to think teams sitting at 4-1 havent earned it.
 
A couple of slight differences of opinion here and there, but I more or less agree with most of your points in this thread.

Scary, huh, especially after you read my latest response to the Ronnie kneeling thread...
 
And you should also not pretend btw, that any team who is 4-1 right now is not playing good football, no matter which teams they have beaten. Especially if we play 14 of the same games ourselves. That paragraph was just for someone who seems to think teams sitting at 4-1 havent earned it.

You are correct, all 4-1 teams have earned their record, and just because they havent had real competition doesnt mean they do not deserve to be called winners (at this point)

We can hold off calling them losers until AFTER they start hitting their competition (like we did last year when Detroit started- well being detroit again) Yes, yes it happens every year, everyone starts talking playoffs and then they fall back on their losing ways.
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And you are right you cannot write off teams as wons and losses over the season but at the same time- there are a few teams you know WILL be in it and a few teams you know WILL NOT be in it in december- how they get their wins and losses is anyones guess but for me

I would rather play the rams than i would the titans
 
1. For a rebuilding team winning 7 games is successful. Especially if you look at the big picture and realize that 7 games + a lot of young talent on this team should equate to more wins than that for upcoming seasons and of course playoff berths.

2. I think you're right and wrong on the 4-1 issue. There are 4-1 teams not playing good football who are good teams and then there are 4-1 (or 4-2) teams that just aren't good period BECAUSE of who they've played. I personally think the New York Giants are a very over rated team, and you saw that on Monday Night. I think Dallas is a 4-2 team not playing good football, they really are better than what they've shown.
 
i hate hearing that, were rebuilding word, imo, i think the way our offense has played that we are already rebuilt, Of course we can due w/ more pieces to the puzzle like free agency and drafts but i think the time is now...is like some of you guys like the fact that we might go 8-8, NO!!! we need to start talking about 9-7 10-6 because we have a good team now guys.......



if wilford would have played for us the way he did for the jags last year then we would be very unstopable even with a garbage ginn on our team beacuse camarillio has stepped up for us. Blame it on wilford to why were not 4-1. its not parcelll fault, heell he thought wilford would have been a great player for us, and so did i.
 
1. For a rebuilding team winning 7 games is successful. Especially if you look at the big picture and realize that 7 games + a lot of young talent on this team should equate to more wins than that for upcoming seasons and of course playoff berths.
You are right AND wrong WV had it right, OVERALL 30 years from now when people look over our history they will not see, young and rebuilding they will only see an unsuccesful season.

2. I think you're right and wrong on the 4-1 issue. There are 4-1 teams not playing good football who are good teams and then there are 4-1 (or 4-2) teams that just aren't good period BECAUSE of who they've played. I personally think the New York Giants are a very over rated team, and you saw that on Monday Night. I think Dallas is a 4-2 team not playing good football, they really are better than what they've shown.

You are right and wrong here too. Back when the rams made their first run at the superbowl they had NO competition at all until they got to the playoffs. I was sure they got where they got because of this.

God i was foolish back then.
 
i hate hearing that, were rebuilding word, imo, i think the way our offense has played that we are already rebuilt, Of course we can due w/ more pieces to the puzzle like free agency and drafts but i think the time is now...is like some of you guys like the fact that we might go 8-8, NO!!! we need to start talking about 9-7 10-6 because we have a good team now guys.......



if wilford would have played for us the way he did for the jags last year then we would be very unstopable even with a garbage ginn on our team beacuse camarillio has stepped up for us. Blame it on wilford to why were not 4-1. its not parcelll fault, heell he thought wilford would have been a great player for us, and so did i.

How is thinking Wilford would be a great player not amount to Parcells fault?

Or fixing the Secondary for that matter

Parcells has done a solid job in bringing in players like Long, Merling and Langford. But he's no saint.....

This team IS rebuilding, whether people here want to admit it or not.
 
You are right AND wrong WV had it right, OVERALL 30 years from now when people look over our history they will not see, young and rebuilding they will only see an unsuccesful season.



You are right and wrong here too. Back when the rams made their first run at the superbowl they had NO competition at all until they got to the playoffs. I was sure they got where they got because of this.

God i was foolish back then.

1. So? In the context of TRANSITIONING from 1-15 to Super Bowl bound (hopefully) you need to have a stepping stone, and this season is it. You don't just go from 1-15 to playing on Super Sunday over night you get there gradually, and as long as this team doesn't end up 2-14 with question marks at virtually every position again (like last year) this team will be successful this year. 7 wins under a rookie coach, thats pretty tough to do.

2. That Rams team scored 40 points every week and became one the most prolific offenses we've ever seen. It didn't matter who they played. The Giants are hardly world beating three of the worst teams in football and the Redskins who aren't even that good.
 
1. For a rebuilding team winning 7 games is successful. Especially if you look at the big picture and realize that 7 games + a lot of young talent on this team should equate to more wins than that for upcoming seasons and of course playoff berths.

2. I think you're right and wrong on the 4-1 issue. There are 4-1 teams not playing good football who are good teams and then there are 4-1 (or 4-2) teams that just aren't good period BECAUSE of who they've played. I personally think the New York Giants are a very over rated team, and you saw that on Monday Night. I think Dallas is a 4-2 team not playing good football, they really are better than what they've shown.

This is exactly what Im talking about.

Based on the fact that in this league, aside from like the bottom 5 teams, the talent level on each team is pretty close to even. There are around 20 teams right now who are on about the same level. Every team has its flaws.

We have played 5 games and 3 of them have been decided by ONE score. Basically any one play couldve changed the outcome of the game. Thats 60% of our games and thats about the league average. And if you dont bring your A game on a Sunday, even against the Bungles, Lions, Chiefs, Rams, or Faiders, youve got a real chance at losing. We are right there in the mix with everyone else. THE GOOD TEAMS.

Name one game on the rest of our schedule that isnt winnable if we play our best. And shouldnt it be the expectation of the coaches that the players perform their best each week? So how can you say 7 wins would be satisfactory????????? Also there is really no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL. Just because several franchises completely blow and wallow in obscurity for years behind terrible management, dosent mean we should. Id like to think we are BUILDING, not rebuilding. Besides, alot of the players we shipped out we replaced with BETTER players. Its not like we just had a fire sale or something.

No one is expecting us to win a title, but I dont think its much to ask that we set a goal of playing every regular season game with the opportunity to still make the playoffs. If we go into NY the last week and we havent been eliminated, then it was a successful year. If we dont, then we are a bunch of losers. And being satisfied with that is a losing mentality. Something that hopefully the team dosent have. I think the goal I laid out should be the goal of every team with the exception of the teams who are expected to be title contenders.

Its the teams that come up with wins in these close games that will be playing in January. There is no reason we cant be the team that makes the plays each week to find a way to win these close ones and get in ourselves. You look at even Dallas and you think they are so far ahead of us???? I dont. If you havent noticed, their secondary is as close to if not weaker than ours. And while they have more talent at WR, we have a QB who turns the ball over alot less. We have an excellent RB combo just as they do. They have the better TE and the OL is probably close. Now tell me how they are so much more talented than we are???? Yet, I guarentee their fans wouldnt be pleased with a 7 win season. So why should we be???

Nah dude, this league is wide open. Just because we only won once last season, dosent mean we arent capable of winning 9,10,11 or even more this year.

And if you think a team isnt a pretty good team at 4-1 right now youre mistaken. I dont care who they have played. If they have one 4 of 5 games vs. NFL teams, they are doing something right.

Of course I would prefer to play the rams than the Titans. However either game is winnable and either game is losable. And that is as extreme as it gets. Outside of the bottom 4 or 5 teams, and take away the top 3 or 4, pretty much any team you play is just as capable of beating you as any other and vice versa. The talent level on all these teams is just way too close.

I still want to know which games we cant win the rest of the way. People talk about playing at Denver, but really they arent that strong. At least not so much more stronger than any other team we are playing. They are VERY fortunate to have a winning record right now. I just dont think you can sit back and look at this schedule and say this game will be tougher or this game easier. They will all be tough. Bottom line, is if we play our best game each week, there arent too many losses going to come the rest of the way. 7-9 would be a huge dissapointment.
 
1. So? In the context of TRANSITIONING from 1-15 to Super Bowl bound (hopefully) you need to have a stepping stone, and this season is it. You don't just go from 1-15 to playing on Super Sunday over night you get there gradually, and as long as this team doesn't end up 2-14 with question marks at virtually every position again (like last year) this team will be successful this year. 7 wins under a rookie coach, thats pretty tough to do.

We are on the same side here- i agree 100 percent. But i understand where WV is coming from. at 7-9, yes it feels better than last year but we are still losers.

2. That Rams team scored 40 points every week and became one the most prolific offenses we've ever seen. It didn't matter who they played. The Giants are hardly world beating three of the worst teams in football and the Redskins who aren't even that good.

I kind of said that about the rams- in my own little sarcastic way

Redskins beat some good teams, giants proved themselves last year (yeah my second favorite team)- to undo that a few more teams will have beat them to prove it to us.
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Two things for you WV:

1.) That was actually a good post, extremely long, but good nonetheless.
2.) I'm shocked you used that many words without bashing Ronnie Brown once. :lol:
 
I have a wish...I wish you wouldn't write your manefestos so damn long...I know some people like to hear themselves talk...looks like you like to see yourself write...
 
I have a wish...I wish you wouldn't write your manefestos so damn long...I know some people like to hear themselves talk...looks like you like to see yourself write...

noone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read his post. you also responded to his post, so maybe you like to see yourself write as well?
 
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