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Tyson Clabo- A Closer Look

From everything I have seen, we tried to go after Streiff, Saffold, and Howard, which means that the team did not want a starting RT from this year's draft. Now, I don't know. We may be forced to or, go with a vet band-aid. Of what's left, as of now, Clabo is the best option although there could be a better one in late cuts after the draft.

Not sure if I would d anything now, as waiting may work out better. Tuff choice.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
From everything I have seen, we tried to go after Streiff, Saffold, and Howard, which means that the team did not want a starting RT from this year's draft. Now, I don't know. We may be forced to or, go with a vet band-aid. Of what's left, as of now, Clabo is the best option although there could be a better one in late cuts after the draft.

Not sure if I would d anything now, as waiting may work out better. Tuff choice.
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Tey may have reached out to those vets but they didnt really force the issue of fork out big money to get any of them other then trying to persuade strief. I would say they want a Vet but they are comfortable enough with the draft class that they are gonna go out and throw money at a Vet to come play.

My Guess is they go into the draft with what they have and get a couple of lineman. After the draft i bet they sign a Vet RT to help coach up and compete with the draft pick.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Many here hate the guy, and very likely did not watch his play for the whole season. Here is a game by game run down. I'm not very good at posting these things. So, bear with me or, someone can re-do it for an easier read.

Game Overall Grade Pass Block Run Block Sacks, Hits, Hurries

Cleve- -3.8 -0.9 -3.4 1- 0- 3
Indy- 0.2 -1.3 0.6 2- 0- 3
Atl- -0.3 1.3 -2.9 0- 1- 1
NO- -3.0 -3.5 0.1 1- 2- 4
Blt- -1.9 -2.3 -0.5 2- 1- 2
Buff- -3.6 -3.7 -0.4 2- 2- 5

Cinci- 1.8 0.8 0.1 0- 1- 1
TB- 1.0 1.1 0.1 2- 0- 1
SD- 1.4 0.9 0.6 0- 0- 3
Car- -2.7 -1.3 -0.9 0- 2- 3
Jets- 2.9 2.2 0.1 0- 0- 1
Pitt- 0.1 0.1 -0.4 1- 1- 2
NE- 2.9 2.9 -0.9 0- 0- 0
Buff- 1.8 1.9 -0.5 0- 0- 2
Jets- 2.4 2.4 -0.4 0- 0- 1

As we can see, the last 9 games were much different than the first 6, and that he played very well. I was all in for an upgrade in FA but, did not happen. Based on those last 9 games, Clabo is easily the best available option left in FA. I would sign him to compete with a 2nd round draft OT.
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Where's the first New England game? Was that the game he was benched?
 
dnespins said:
im tired of trying to grind out 17-16 wins, and we've been doing that for the last decade because no matter what kind of line we have we always have pedestrian skill guys.
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Out of curiosity I looked back at each draft since 2000 and looked for offensive skill position players (QB, WR, TE, RB) taken in the first 3 rounds.

Round 1: RB Ronnie Brown (2005), WR Ted Ginn Jr (2007), QB Ryan Tannehill (2012)

Round 2: WR Chris Chambers (2001), QB John Beck (2007), QB Chad Henne (2008), QB Pat White (2009), RB Daniel Thomas (2011)

Round 3: RB Travis Minor (2001), WR Derek Hagan (2006), RB Lorenzo Booker (2007), WR Patrick Turner (2009)

To be fair, not every draft had selections in all 3 of the first 3 rounds but most did. I find it shocking that in 14 drafts only 3 offensive skill position players were selected in the 1st round. I shouldn't be surprised; look at Miami's Head Coaches over the years. Jimmy Johnson wanted to win every game 13-10 with a strong defense and running the ball. Since 2000, not one GM/HC went all-in on the QB position in the 1st round until Tannehill (possibly because he was Sherman's boy and they couldn't get Manning).

14 drafts, and only 12 offensive skill position players were picked in the first 3 rounds? (No wonder Miami can't score any points!) Even worse is the fact that the only playmakers out of those 12 were Chris Chambers, Ronnie Brown, and Ted Ginn Jr (somewhat decent, but not deserving of a 1st round pick). The only real difference-maker out of those 3 was Ronnie Brown. It's too soon to classify Tannehill. Everyone else was mediocre at best to complete busts. Ignoring 2012 and Tannehill, Miami chose just 3 offensive playmakers in the first 3 rounds of 13 drafts that could be considered starters in the NFL... not a very good sign!
 
gofins60 said:
Out of curiosity I looked back at each draft since 2000 and looked for offensive skill position players (QB, WR, TE, RB) taken in the first 3 rounds.

Round 1: RB Ronnie Brown (2005), WR Ted Ginn Jr (2007), QB Ryan Tannehill (2012)

Round 2: WR Chris Chambers (2001), QB John Beck (2007), QB Chad Henne (2008), QB Pat White (2009), RB Daniel Thomas (2011)

Round 3: RB Travis Minor (2001), WR Derek Hagan (2006), RB Lorenzo Booker (2007), WR Patrick Turner (2009)

To be fair, not every draft had selections in all 3 of the first 3 rounds but most did. I find it shocking that in 14 drafts only 3 offensive skill position players were selected in the 1st round. I shouldn't be surprised; look at Miami's Head Coaches over the years. Jimmy Johnson wanted to win every game 13-10 with a strong defense and running the ball. Since 2000, not one GM/HC went all-in on the QB position in the 1st round until Tannehill (possibly because he was Sherman's boy and they couldn't get Manning).

14 drafts, and only 12 offensive skill position players were picked in the first 3 rounds? (No wonder Miami can't score any points!) Even worse is the fact that the only playmakers out of those 12 were Chris Chambers, Ronnie Brown, and Ted Ginn Jr (somewhat decent, but not deserving of a 1st round pick). The only real difference-maker out of those 3 was Ronnie Brown. It's too soon to classify Tannehill. Everyone else was mediocre at best to complete busts. Ignoring 2012 and Tannehill, Miami chose just 3 offensive playmakers in the first 3 rounds of 13 drafts that could be considered starters in the NFL... not a very good sign!
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The problem isn't just a lack of drafting offensive skill positions in early rounds, we can't draft them in any round. Our ability to draft offensively has sucked for a very, very long time.

And I think part of the problem is we practice "gem" or "acorn" finding logic in every round. For at least their rookie contract, our best pick was Jake Long. It is hard to argue with the results we got, especially early on. The problem is we didn't follow up by supporting that pick. We didn't build around him with high picks. We made the pick then started focusing all of our efforts on D. When we did draft offensive, it was like we were throwing pennies into a wishing well. Hoping a miscast or overvalued player would shock the world.

And when we do spend money or draft picks on the offense, our timing with other money and picks spent on the offense are so far apart we can use the collective sum of our efforts to build a quality unit.

We finally get a QB and Long is gone. We simply ignore offense too much. The drafting of Dion Jordan exemplifies this issue to the core. In a time we desperately needed an infusion of talent on the OLine to protect our young QB, we forfeit 2 high draft picks to draft ... defense. And a part time player on defense at that. We addressed the OLine by value shopping.

We spend big money on WRs and don't protect the QB. Our logic makes NO sense.

This is why I've been saying we need to trade for Mack, bite the bullet and finally give the offense a chance to be an offense. And not some patchwork quilt collection of talent that is held together by the weakest link.
 
He was actually decent as the season progressed, I remember being impressed with him by the end

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Asicswrg85 said:
He was actually decent as the season progressed, I remember being impressed with him by the end

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But what flipped the light to the "ON" position? Was it the normal "Week 8" time table in which FAs finally mold with their new team, his benching, lack of motivation, easier opponents down the stretch, you get the point.

Some of the defenses we faced in the first half of the season were mauling. I'd hate to depend on him not knowing if the Clabo at the end of the season was merely a collection of fortunate events that made him look good. Or the guy in the first half of the season was the best he can be against high level talent.

Frankly, I still see the need for 2 starters. And I'm not impressed with using the draft and the 2nd half of FA to address them. I realize the draft SHOULD net us a RT in Round 1. But the only way I want to use the 2nd half of FA is to plug holes in the backups of the OL. So we either need to sign another quality starter for RG or get lucky in Round 2 and find one. Because if our starting RT or RG is coming from the current roster, it's not good enough. I don't think Thomas is a starter at this point. He needs another year.

I think we have 3 starters and decent depth at this point. We need some USDA quality beef manning the Right side. Getting 2 quality starters out of the draft seems like a foolish plan to me. We need quality experience on the right side stabilizing a rookie.
 
phinfan40353 said:
But what flipped the light to the "ON" position? Was it the normal "Week 8" time table in which FAs finally mold with their new team, his benching, lack of motivation, easier opponents down the stretch, you get the point.

Some of the defenses we faced in the first half of the season were mauling. I'd hate to depend on him not knowing if the Clabo at the end of the season was merely a collection of fortunate events that made him look good. Or the guy in the first half of the season was the best he can be against high level talent.

Frankly, I still see the need for 2 starters. And I'm not impressed with using the draft and the 2nd half of FA to address them. I realize the draft SHOULD net us a RT in Round 1. But the only way I want to use the 2nd half of FA is to plug holes in the backups of the OL. So we either need to sign another quality starter for RG or get lucky in Round 2 and find one. Because if our starting RT or RG is coming from the current roster, it's not good enough. I don't think Thomas is a starter at this point. He needs another year.

I think we have 3 starters and decent depth at this point. We need some USDA quality beef manning the Right side. Getting 2 quality starters out of the draft seems like a foolish plan to me. We need quality experience on the right side stabilizing a rookie.
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I have no idea what flipped the switch, even wondered if Bulygate may have had a little something to do with it, as he was the only one on the OL not involved.

FWIW, he was VG in Atlanta the two prior years, and the #5 RT in 2012. Again, I would like a better option but, d not see any out there for now. I'm also wondering if there may be a trade option after the draft.
 
Move on. You can't seriously consider him a starter after everything that happened with the OL last season and there are backups with better upside and experience on the ZBS to be had.

As a back up I would look into the Broncos' back up, Harris, I think is his name.
 
Clabo was terrible. His numbers improved because he got more help in pass protection and play design, not because he played better. This guys doesn't even deserve a 2nd look.
 
Clabo had an awful start to the season and at his best was no better than ok we need an upgrade. He could be a useful backup
 
Zounds said:
Clabo was terrible. His numbers improved because he got more help in pass protection and play design, not because he played better. This guys doesn't even deserve a 2nd look.
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I think it would be interesting, if anyone has the games still recorded, to watch him in the first Buff game, when he got destroyed, and then the second Buff game, when he played very well, to compare. That should be fair to see if his individual play improved as much as has been shown.

I'm gonna do that, just don't know when. Anyone else?
 
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