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UNBIASED Scouting Report of Tannehill vs. Bills

No one. It would have just been a much better placed pass that should have been caught but was dropped. No one said Hartline shouldn't have caught it either way or that Tannehill underthrowing it just a bit is what caused Hartline to drop it. Personally, as I said before, the ball should have been caught. It was certainly not one of Tannehill's worst throws of the game, either, but it is exactly the kind of throw that is driving people crazy. I know even the best QBs in the league miss on deep balls, but they also hit them with far more regularity than Tannehill has as well.

Hartline had like two steps on the guy and there was no safety even remotely close until just as the ball was landing. On shots like that, the receiver should not have to slow up to catch it. It should be an easy walk-in touchdown. Bad on Hartline for dropping what was still a very catchable ball. But also bad on Tannehill for poor ball placement. Nitpicky as the one pass may be in a vacuum, it still remains true, and when combined with all the other awfully placed throws (including several very short passes) so far, it paints a bit of a disconcerting picture. Not yet in permanent ink, but definitely getting there.

MOST of the deep passes that are completed by other QBs involve adjustment by the receiver. They are caught and no one gives them a second thought.

As others have said, if Hartline, Wallace, and Sims make the routine catches, we are talking about how much the deep ball has improved.
 
MOST of the deep passes that are completed by other QBs involve adjustment by the receiver. They are caught and no one gives them a second thought.

As others have said, if Hartline, Wallace, and Sims make the routine catches, we are talking about how much the deep ball has improved.

If Tannehill hit them in stride.... just once in a while, we would be talking about how much the deep ball improved. I'd actually be happy if he was over throwing them at this point, atleast it would show he has the arm strength.
 
MOST of the deep passes that are completed by other QBs involve adjustment by the receiver. They are caught and no one gives them a second thought. As others have said, if Hartline, Wallace, and Sims make the routine catches, we are talking about how much the deep ball has improved.
I agree. We can't let the receivers off the hook for those passes that should have been caught. Tannehill has had some bad throws the first two games but he also made some good ones that should have been caught. Like the three mentioned by FinFan.

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If Tannehill hit them in stride.... just once in a while, we would be talking about how much the deep ball improved. I'd actually be happy if he was over throwing them at this point, atleast it would show he has the arm strength.
He hit Wallace and Sims perfectly in stride. Both would have been TDs if caught.
 
I agree. We can't let the receivers off the hook for those passes that should have been caught. Tannehill has had some bad throws the first two games but he also made some good ones that should have been caught. Like the three mentioned by FinFan.

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He hit Wallace and Sims perfectly in stride. Both would have been TDs if caught.

In regard to Wallace, which play are you talking about?
 
In regard to the OP, I'm surprised that you didn't mention the poor ball placement on the first play. If Tannehill hits his receiver in stride, that's a big gain down the sideline.
 
No one. It would have just been a much better placed pass that should have been caught but was dropped. No one said Hartline shouldn't have caught it either way or that Tannehill underthrowing it just a bit is what caused Hartline to drop it. Personally, as I said before, the ball should have been caught. It was certainly not one of Tannehill's worst throws of the game, either, but it is exactly the kind of throw that is driving people crazy. I know even the best QBs in the league miss on deep balls, but they also hit them with far more regularity than Tannehill has as well.

Hartline had like two steps on the guy and there was no safety even remotely close until just as the ball was landing. On shots like that, the receiver should not have to slow up to catch it. It should be an easy walk-in touchdown. Bad on Hartline for dropping what was still a very catchable ball. But also bad on Tannehill for poor ball placement. Nitpicky as the one pass may be in a vacuum, it still remains true, and when combined with all the other awfully placed throws (including several very short passes) so far, it paints a bit of a disconcerting picture. Not yet in permanent ink, but definitely getting there.
Again, we can't assume a perfectly placed ball will be caught. we've seen plenty of drops on those passes, too
 
Personally (ie just my pov), I don't think you do your unbiased analysis in the OP any favours with definitive statements like that. Fulltime professional scouts would probably give their eye teeth to have those kind of predictive powers about college QBs only a few weeks into their season, or even on draft day for that matter.

NOBODY in the entire sport can be definitive like that. As you did in the OP, why not evaluate what you believe and why about Cook and Hundley. Even then, it's a projection to try to apply that evaluation to the NFL and a further projection to guess if the outcome would be more or less successful than we have with Tannehill.

I've watched 5+ games on Cook, 7-10 on Hundley, and probably 10-15 on Winston and Mariota. And I don't mean just watching them on TV live. I go back and watch them again. I do my homework before making statements like that. QB is arguably my strongest position I evaluate aside from Defensive Line. I have a higher success rate than most NFL GMs and scouts in regards to the Quarterback position. I don't make statements like that blindly. Just check the draft forum (which I see you frequently do) between now and the draft. I will address the QB's strengths and weakness and give them an overall projection for sure. Right now Cook and Hundley aren't good enough QB's for me to spend any more time evaluating them. Once I get down to their proper place on the board (2nd-3rd round prospects) I will touch on them more. If you would like a quick synopsis, Hundley has a cannon but sees ghosts in the pocket and repetitively drops his eye level under pressure. I also question his field vision and accuracy. I prefer Cook to Hundley but Cook is very raw and needs more development. He would benefit by returning to school for his senior year.
 
In regard to the OP, I'm surprised that you didn't mention the poor ball placement on the first play. If Tannehill hits his receiver in stride, that's a big gain down the sideline.

That's the difference between drifting in the pocket, or shuffling and resetting his feet which he does not routinely do. Pocket movement is a weakness of his right now.
 
i'm with the no thanks on connor cook or hundley crowd...cook struggles too much against zone for my liking...although i dont think he's terrible...i'd just rather have tannehill...hundley is too much one read and take off type...nah

not interested in mariota only one i would be is winston who sees the field and ids coverage well...but i'm not studying qbs cause i dont think i need one and winstons going top 3 anyways...likely #1...cam newton style...teams will overlook some of the off field stuff
 
I've watched 5+ games on Cook, 7-10 on Hundley, and probably 10-15 on Winston and Mariota. And I don't mean just watching them on TV live. I go back and watch them again. I do my homework before making statements like that. QB is arguably my strongest position I evaluate aside from Defensive Line. I have a higher success rate than most NFL GMs and scouts in regards to the Quarterback position. I don't make statements like that blindly. Just check the draft forum (which I see you frequently do) between now and the draft. I will address the QB's strengths and weakness and give them an overall projection for sure. Right now Cook and Hundley aren't good enough QB's for me to spend any more time evaluating them. Once I get down to their proper place on the board (2nd-3rd round prospects) I will touch on them more. If you would like a quick synopsis, Hundley has a cannon but sees ghosts in the pocket and repetitively drops his eye level under pressure. I also question his field vision and accuracy. I prefer Cook to Hundley but Cook is very raw and needs more development. He would benefit by returning to school for his senior year.

Good to hear. I don't doubt your research. I still don't believe you can make sweeping statements on those QBs and how they'll hold up vs. Tannehill. Or should I say, of course you can make them, they just undermine your objectivity, imo.
 
I agree. We can't let the receivers off the hook for those passes that should have been caught. Tannehill has had some bad throws the first two games but he also made some good ones that should have been caught. Like the three mentioned by FinFan.

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He hit Wallace and Sims perfectly in stride. Both would have been TDs if caught.

No, wallace had to slow down. Sims - yes.

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The one against the Pats where Wallace didn't keep his feet inbound.

Tannehills fault, Tannehill didn't adjust for his momentum and let the ball drift towards the out of bounds side. A franchise QB makes that throw.
 
Good to hear. I don't doubt your research. I still don't believe you can make sweeping statements on those QBs and how they'll hold up vs. Tannehill. Or should I say, of course you can make them, they just undermine your objectivity, imo.

I have no agenda. I'm not inducting Tannehill into Canton, and I don't think Matt Moore should be starting on the flip side. I'm a Miami Dolphins fan. But I am also a realist and don't think every player on my favorite team is the greatest ever. Not saying that you do, but we all have friends who see their team that way through multiple sports. I tend to have good foresight when it comes to projecting college players to the NFL. I trust it. My main point is that Cook and Hundley need more development, even more than I would say Tannehill needed out of A&M. I'm not convinced either will be solid starting quarterbacks, which 90% of this forum would agree Tannehill is at this juncture. I actually think Hundley is more of a backup/ developmental starter. Cook has potential to be an average starter. But some of the decisions he makes, you question how well he sees the field, or if he really trusts his slightly above average arm strength that much. Not saying he has a weak arm, I just think he trusts it too much at times.
 
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