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Awesome job Simon, Chris and Richard!

The interview with Conte is great. I took the chance to look at the numbers he's posted at his pro day and how they would have ranked at the combine.

40 Yard Dash - 4.44 / Would have been 4th at the combine. Improved from 4.53 at his first pro day

20 yard shuttle - 4.09 / Would have been 2nd at the combine. Improved from 4.21 at his first pro day

3 Cone drill - 6.44 / Would have been 1st at the combine by a big margin.

He stood on his first pro day broad and vertical jumps of 10'7" (1st at combine) and 40.5" (tied for 2nd).

I don't know what the difference in the field is there, whether it's faster...but those numbers are very impressive either way. Such a good character kid. I want nothing but the best for this guy and would love to have him as a Miami Dolphin.

For some reason when I watch him, I think Brian Westbrook style football.
 
GREAT post on the WRs, a topic that everyone on this board cares more about than any other since...well...even before the Ginn selection.

The growing trend is seeing Damian Williams as our second rounder in these mocks. Interesting to know that all three of you don't see that as a wise pick.
 
I'm not sure Richard would agree that it's not a wise pick at #43. I think Simon and I would both be less than thrilled to say the least.
 
You guys sure put in a HUGE amount of time + effort (= $$$) into your "hobby." You're fortunate to be able to follow your passion like that -- and of course the readers get the benefit...

I'm just really pissed off about the ungodly # of picks the Pats have -- it seems year in and year out. What can we do to screw-up their draft???

:)
 
My personal opinion on Damian Williams, and Richard should get every opportunity to pipe up about why he likes him, but I think that he's not near physical enough. He uses his hands and body well to get beyond the bump in space and present himself as an option for the QB. But he doesn't come back to the ball well, doesn't attack the ball in the air. He's passive, he lets the ball come to him and cups it instead of grabbing it, often letting it into his body when it's not necessary. He has no strength or leg drive. He may be a sneaky blocker because he plays through the whistle, but he's not in any way an effective one. He reminds me of a version of Mardy Gilyard that actually tries hard, when it comes to blocking. I don't know that he can get off the jam at the line, he's better with the bump in space. His upper and lower body are not well coordinated for making cuts on the move, you often see him stumble a little bit and get caught up when he has to make cuts at speed. He doesn't have the vertical speed to get open that way against man coverage. He doesn't burst out of his halt on his arrow routes.

What you have is a guy that can find spaces in zone and run through traffic well, can present himself to the QB as a target, passively accept an uncontested ball, and who has eyes in the back of his head when running with the ball in space. Whenever Keith Box talks about WRs being a "dime a dozen" he may misguidedly be attributing that to guys like Dez Bryant, but for me it's very true about Damian Williams. I don't know if you can get a guy to get tougher, more physical, attack the ball more, etc. Maybe you can and he can grow from being what he is now to being so much more...but I tend to doubt it, and you can say that about a lot of guys.
 
ckparrothead said:
My personal opinion on Damian Williams, and Richard should get every opportunity to pipe up about why he likes him, but I think that he's not near physical enough. He uses his hands and body well to get beyond the bump in space and present himself as an option for the QB. But he doesn't come back to the ball well, doesn't attack the ball in the air. He's passive, he lets the ball come to him and cups it instead of grabbing it, often letting it into his body when it's not necessary. He has no strength or leg drive. He may be a sneaky blocker because he plays through the whistle, but he's not in any way an effective one. He reminds me of a version of Mardy Gilyard that actually tries hard, when it comes to blocking. I don't know that he can get off the jam at the line, he's better with the bump in space. His upper and lower body are not well coordinated for making cuts on the move, you often see him stumble a little bit and get caught up when he has to make cuts at speed. He doesn't have the vertical speed to get open that way against man coverage. He doesn't burst out of his halt on his arrow routes.

What you have is a guy that can find spaces in zone and run through traffic well, can present himself to the QB as a target, passively accept an uncontested ball, and who has eyes in the back of his head when running with the ball in space. Whenever Keith Box talks about WRs being a "dime a dozen" he may misguidedly be attributing that to guys like Dez Bryant, but for me it's very true about Damian Williams. I don't know if you can get a guy to get tougher, more physical, attack the ball more, etc. Maybe you can and he can grow from being what he is now to being so much more...but I tend to doubt it, and you can say that about a lot of guys.
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I loved Damian Williams working in space, there's no doubt about that. But again, he's not anything Miami doesn't already have. There are already the guys that can work well in space. Miami needs a Dez Bryant type this year, or a Jonathan Baldwin type next year. But no more #2 and #3 receivers. And unfortunately, I think that's what Damian is.
 
i know slim has damian williams in his top 5 wrs...but not me

doesn't do much for me...
 
Great read. Thank you. I feel that if the receiver is first round talent, like Benn, or Thomas, or Tate, then that receiver is not a reach at 12. I agree with Chris (? I think) that we need that #1, the Bielitnikoff, the Moss, the Irvin. We need to draft or get that guy who Henne can count on and will get YACs and present problems for defenses. I feel that Thomas and Benn are that guy. We also need the #1 offensive line in the league. I want to feel that we can win every game on offense no matter how deep the hole is.

In addition to Benn, Thomas, I also like Shipley for #2 to complement Hartline and Bess. I also like Joe McKnight as a playmaking RB.

Finally, in your analysis, if I may suggest, it would be helpful to focus on hard numbers. For example, I feel that Bess is good for 600 yards per season. in our system he may get 50 catches for 12 yards per cathc. I see Hartline as a potential 800-900 yard. The #1 receiver is the guy who goes for #1200 yards in 60-70, maybe 80, catches. So in finding that guy who will get 1200 yards I would look for the elements you guys outlined, and I see those in Benn, Thomas, and to lesser extent Tate, for our system.

Again, thank you for that nice piece.
 
Good job once again. It was particularly nice to see Freddie Barnes get a mention. I think he would be a great guy to grab in the late rounds and have compete with Camarillo for the 4th receiver spot.
 
i like freddie barnes also...but he doesn't have a whole lot of upside imo...#3 #4 wr as a pro to me...maybe a little jason avant there...

i haven't had a chance to read the article yet...i'm sure it's good...
 
I personally don't think that focusing on hard numbers is helpful to me in terms of describing how useful certain receivers are. Those numbers are going to be constantly changing according to the offense, the surrounding cast, the QB, etc.

In 2008 with Pennington throwing the ball, Bess and Camarillo both looked like 900 to 1,000 yard receivers. I mean, that's the pace they went. For the time Camarillo was a starter, he projected for nearly 1,000 yards over a 16 game season. For the time that Bess was starter in his place, he projected for nearly 1,000 yards over a 16 game season.

So does that mean they're both actually good WRs? I don't really think so. I think Bess is a slot that can make plays and help you win ball games, but I'd rather have two guys that are more talented sitting in front of him. I think Camarillo is virtually the same.
 
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