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Update on Starks and Soliai

In a perfect world we would bring back one of these guys, though it doesn't appear to be a perfect world. Seems like they are asking for a lot, so I can't blame the Dolphins for hesitating to give them what they want. Perhaps they go out in the market, see their value isn't what they thought, and come back at what the Dolphins wanted to pay them.

Honestly though, I want free agency to be focused on the offensive line. If we have to sign a cheaper veteran to pair with Odrick, so be it as long as the offensive line is fixed. There is also the possibility that if they fix the line in free agency that they can pick a new DT at #19.
 
They are simply letting the market determine their worth. If they sign with someone else, its probly for too much money. Im ready to move on because I think we will end up with a coupld of guys both Draft and FA.

Looking for AJ Francis to make a jump into the 3rd/4th guy. I also wouldnt mind getting our 6-7 guy back from Seattle for cheap.

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and dont forget, half the league doesnt have that kind of money.
 
I shocked we haven't even made them an offer, like not even a low ball offer. That tells me this isn't about money. Something else is going on here...Miami just doesn't want either of them on the team for some reason.
 
I shocked we haven't even made them an offer, like not even a low ball offer. That tells me this isn't about money. Something else is going on here...Miami just doesn't want either of them on the team for some reason.

I think the no offer part is because they are not even close on numbers. If Canter is saying he wants $10 million a year and the Dolphins value Soliai at $6 million a year, what is the point of even making an offer? Canter even made an unprofessional comment(curse words and all) on the radio how they would walk out of the room and break off all contact with the Dolphins if the first offer wasn't acceptable.
 
Can't remember where I heard or read it but rumor is Miami is interested in Cam Thomas. I may have heard it on NFL Radio on Sirius.
 
I think the no offer part is because they are not even close on numbers. If Canter is saying he wants $10 million a year and the Dolphins value Soliai at $6 million a year, what is the point of even making an offer? Canter even made an unprofessional comment(curse words and all) on the radio how they would walk out of the room and break off all contact with the Dolphins if the first offer wasn't acceptable.

If thats the case, I'd still send Canter an offer...a few million...whatever you think he's worth. You have to start somewhere. That fact that not a single offer was made is very suspicious to me. If the Dolphins wanted either of these players, I think they would have at the very least made a low ball offer. I think Miami has plans for someone else, and its probably already been arranged.
 
Letting Soliai walk is a mistake, Starks can be somewhat replaced by Odrick. There`s nobody on the team who can step into Soliai`s spot... "He's a two down player"... Well those are 2 important fcking downs! You guys think our LBs suck, wait till you watch them try and shed two times the amount of blocks they had to last year...
 
If thats the case, I'd still send Canter an offer...a few million...whatever you think he's worth. You have to start somewhere. That fact that not a single offer was made is very suspicious to me. If the Dolphins wanted either of these players, I think they would have at the very least made a low ball offer. I think Miami has plans for someone else, and its probably already been arranged.

I think you are on to something here. I do not believe that it is in the FO plans to bring either back for whatever reason. I can understand some of the risks involved (age-money) but I do hope they do have some sort of plan B, otherwise I agree with what Daytona posted in the other thread I started earlier that things could be very shaky on the OL and DL line on the field for 2014 at least.
 
Just as an FYI, our defense requires 2 different types of DT's.

As many have stated in the past, there's not a huge difference between the 43 and 34 today the way Miami plays, because we essentially play both. The gist of our base package is essentially a 43, but it is played so that the personnel can work in either. In a 34 Wake is considered a LB, and in a 43 he is considered a DE, but his role doesn't really vary much ... we don't drop him into coverage regardless. That's why we are really a 43.

The 43 look has one large strong DT to dominate the interior of the line and force double teams keeping OL off the LB's. This position is similar to the 34 NT in role despite not lining up as one. This is the guy who collapses the pocket and prevents the QB from stepping up, and also is the guy who makes it hard to execute interior run plays. Soliai plays that position, and there really isn't anyone else on our roster who can play it like he can. Losing Soliai would mean we lose run defense on 1st down, 2nd down, and 3rd and short, not to mention goal line defense. Those guys are well paid in today's NFL. They don't play at a pro-bowl level as rookies either, generally. So plugging in even a first rounder would be a significant drop off next season. Essentially, if we don't re-sign Soliai, we'll have to pay the high price for someone else and hope they give us Soliai type production. IMHO, it makes the most sense to re-sign him. Bite the bullet and pay the man.

The other DT in our 43 scheme is typically a quicker gap penetrator. This is the guy who stunts/twists and gambles to get into the backfield. That's the position that Starks plays ... and Odrick ... and Shelby. On obvious passing downs, we can easily play 2 of those guys up front ... but those guys tend to be subpar against the run and if a teams runs a lot, they wear down in the 4th quarter. Ever notice how teams ran against us when Soliai wasn't in the game? It is because two gap penetrators often get moved and allow the LB's to get blocked. These gap penetrator guys are important, they tackle in the backfield, create pressure in the pass game, and are generally the guys causing the 3rd and longs ... but we have coverage there. If we lose Starks, we will play Shelby more and keep Odrick fresh by rotating in someone else throughout the game but keep Odrick in for key series.

Without Soliai, our defense will be considerably less effective. If we lose Starks that will hurt, but it means that the talented Shelby plays more, and he's pretty good IMHO. Between the two, I'd definitely keep Soliai ... even if it means we have to keep negotiating with Canter.
 
I can understand some of the risks involved (age-money) but I do hope they do have some sort of plan B, otherwise I agree with what Daytona posted in the other thread I started earlier that things could be very shaky on the OL and DL line on the field for 2014 at least.

Based on the information Hickey has given us in his pressers, and based on what he did in Tampa, it seems like line play (OL and DL) are pretty important building blocks for a team. I think he has a plan.
 
It's been extremely comforting in recent years to be rugged up front on defense. I'd argue it's been the single strength of our team. I never overreacted last season when the run defense had a subpar year. The linebacker additions were poor and Wake naturally started to nick and show some age. So what? The components were still there. Big opportunity for a natural upward bounce.

If we lose Soliai, suddenly the primary component is gone. I can't believe some posters are angling to test the market, as if Soliai's size and skills are easily replicated. Soliai can plug when needed and penetrate out of seemingly nowhere. If we lose him, all of a sudden we've got lots of undersized and unspectacular guys who are going to be shoved around and generally mediocre.

For all the adjustments here in regard to Tannehill and the offense, it doesn't appear that many seem to grasp how vital Soliai has been. Digital again had the best summary in this thread, similar to the "Big Paul" thread. Unfortunately the Dolphins seem to be on the verge of a major mistake. I hope Hickey knows enough to look at tape from prior to 2013 on Soliai and others. As always, if all you know is what happened recently, you don't know nearly enough, and really not much of anything. Minus injury, huge guys like that maintain special traits well into their 30s.
 
I would like the keep Solai but paying big bucks to someone who is a 2 down player & the way the offenses are going maybe just a 1 down player b/c teams are spreading the offense more just doesn't seem to make sense. I hope we can workout a solid deal for him but if not there are other options out there.
 
I would try & get younger.

Resign either or both if they are still around after the bidding has died down.

They got run over last season, if they want a big payday they had ALL season to make that argument.

Neither guy did, they both played better two seasons ago.
 
I'd like to see us let them walk. If I'm paying anyone it's Linval Joseph
 
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