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Put these up a couple of weeks ago. Here are the updated ratings. Know that people are going to hate the Phillips rating, but important to know that just a couple of weeks ago he was ranked next to last among qualifiers.

QB: Tua 78.8 (13th of 37)
WR: Ford 68.7 (not enough snaps to qualify)
WR: Hollins 57.2 (111 out of 129)
WR: Williams 59.4 (not enough snaps)
WR: Wilson 58.7 (105 out of 129)
WR: Parker 75.6 (29th out of 129)
WR: Waddle 78.7 (16th out of 129)
TE: Gesicki 69.3 (19 out of 76)
TE: Shaheen 61.5 (43 out of 76)
TE: Smythe 58.5 (51 out of 76)
HB: Gaskin 65.6 (41 out of 60)
HB: Ahmed 56.5 (not enough snaps)
HB: Brown 62.6 (not enough snaps)
C: Mancz 61.5 (not enough snaps)
C: Deiter 58.1 (28 out of 39)
C; Reiter 48.4 (38 out of 39)
G: Kindley 59.7 (not enough snaps)
G: Hunt 63.0 (43 out of 80)
G: Jackson 47.8 (75 out of 80)
T: Davis 53.1 (76 out of 83)
T: Eichenberg 48.9 (80 out of 83)
DEFENSE
DL: Sieler 81.3 (8th out of 125)
DL: Davis 40.7 (120 out of 125)
DL: Wilkins 83.1 (6th out of 125)
Edge: Van Ginkel 60.8 (76 out of 111)
Edge: Ogbah 79.9 (15 out of 111)
Edge: Phillips 55.0 (94 out of 111)
LB: Roberts 49.3 (54 out of 84)
LB: Baker 57.2 (34 out of 84)
CB: Coleman 54.9 (97 out of 118)
CB: Byron Jones 61.2 (72 out of 118)
CB: Needman 61.8 (66 out of 118)
CB: Howard 68.1 (34 out of 118)
S: Brandon Jones 61.6 (49 out of 91)
S: Rowe 69.8 (28 out of 91)
S: McCourty 72.1 (23 out of 91)
S: Holland 81.6 (5 out of 91)

K Sanders 58.4 (ranking not listed)
P Palardy 51.3 (31 out of 33)
 
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Geiger.k said:
Holland?
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Oops....added him in now.

Here are the changes in the rankings in the last two weeks....great to see the general trend is our guys going up the rankings.

Tua: up 6.
Hollins: down 2
Wilson: same
Parker: up 13
Waddle: up 16
Gesecki: down 3
Shaheen: up 2
Smythe: up 10
Gaskin: down 1
Deiter: down 8
Hunt: up 8
Jackson: down 3
Davis: down 4
Eichenberg: down 4

Sieler: up 2
Davis: up 6
Wilkins: same
Van Ginkel: up 14
Ogbah: up 3
Phillips: up 13
Roberts: up 13
Baker: down 2
Coleman: down 3
By. Jones: up 14
Needham: up 2
Howard: up 15
Br. Jones: up 1
Rowe: down 3
McCourty: down 2
Holland: up 2

Average offensive player has moved up 2 spots in the rankings the past two weeks, average defensive player has moved up 5 spots.
 
brumdog44 said:
Put these up a couple of weeks ago. Here are the updated ratings. Know that people are going to hate the Phillips rating, but important to know that just a couple of weeks ago he was ranked next to last among qualifiers.

QB: Tua 78.8 (13th of 37)
WR: Ford 68.7 (not enough snaps to qualify)
WR: Hollins 57.2 (111 out of 129)
WR: Williams 59.4 (not enough snaps)
WR: Wilson 58.7 (105 out of 129)
WR: Parker 75.6 (29th out of 129)
WR: Waddle 78.7 (16th out of 129)
TE: Gesicki 69.3 (19 out of 76)
TE: Shaheen 61.5 (43 out of 76)
TE: Smythe 58.5 (51 out of 76)
HB: Gaskin 65.6 (41 out of 60)
HB: Ahmed 56.5 (not enough snaps)
HB: Brown 62.6 (not enough snaps)
C: Mancz 61.5 (not enough snaps)
C: Deiter 58.1 (28 out of 39)
C; Reiter 48.4 (38 out of 39)
G: Kindley 59.7 (not enough snaps)
G: Hunt 63.0 (43 out of 80)
G: Jackson 47.8 (75 out of 80)
T: Davis 53.1 (76 out of 83)
T: Eichenberg 48.9 (80 out of 83)
DEFENSE
DL: Sieler 81.3 (8th out of 125)
DL: Davis 40.7 (120 out of 125)
DL: Wilkins 83.1 (6th out of 125)
Edge: Van Ginkel 60.8 (76 out of 111)
Edge: Ogbah 79.9 (15 out of 111)
Edge: Phillips 55.0 (94 out of 111)
LB: Roberts 49.3 (54 out of 84)
LB: Baker 57.2 (34 out of 84)
CB: Coleman 54.9 (97 out of 118)
CB: Byron Jones 61.2 (72 out of 118)
CB: Needman 61.8 (66 out of 118)
CB: Howard 68.1 (34 out of 118)
S: Brandon Jones 61.6 (49 out of 91)
S: Rowe 69.8 (28 out of 91)
S: McCourty 72.1 (23 out of 91)
S: Holland 81.6 (5 out of 91)

K Sanders 58.4 (ranking not listed)
P Palardy 51.3 (31 out of 33)
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Do you have access to the rankings, say, game 4 or 6? Would be nice to compare them to this ranking. I think a number of players would look better the last few games. Phillips is a good example.
 
brumdog44 said:
Put these up a couple of weeks ago. Here are the updated ratings. Know that people are going to hate the Phillips rating, but important to know that just a couple of weeks ago he was ranked next to last among qualifiers.

QB: Tua 78.8 (13th of 37)
WR: Ford 68.7 (not enough snaps to qualify)
WR: Hollins 57.2 (111 out of 129)
WR: Williams 59.4 (not enough snaps)
WR: Wilson 58.7 (105 out of 129)
WR: Parker 75.6 (29th out of 129)
WR: Waddle 78.7 (16th out of 129)
TE: Gesicki 69.3 (19 out of 76)
TE: Shaheen 61.5 (43 out of 76)
TE: Smythe 58.5 (51 out of 76)
HB: Gaskin 65.6 (41 out of 60)
HB: Ahmed 56.5 (not enough snaps)
HB: Brown 62.6 (not enough snaps)
C: Mancz 61.5 (not enough snaps)
C: Deiter 58.1 (28 out of 39)
C; Reiter 48.4 (38 out of 39)
G: Kindley 59.7 (not enough snaps)
G: Hunt 63.0 (43 out of 80)
G: Jackson 47.8 (75 out of 80)
T: Davis 53.1 (76 out of 83)
T: Eichenberg 48.9 (80 out of 83)
DEFENSE
DL: Sieler 81.3 (8th out of 125)
DL: Davis 40.7 (120 out of 125)
DL: Wilkins 83.1 (6th out of 125)
Edge: Van Ginkel 60.8 (76 out of 111)
Edge: Ogbah 79.9 (15 out of 111)
Edge: Phillips 55.0 (94 out of 111)
LB: Roberts 49.3 (54 out of 84)
LB: Baker 57.2 (34 out of 84)
CB: Coleman 54.9 (97 out of 118)
CB: Byron Jones 61.2 (72 out of 118)
CB: Needman 61.8 (66 out of 118)
CB: Howard 68.1 (34 out of 118)
S: Brandon Jones 61.6 (49 out of 91)
S: Rowe 69.8 (28 out of 91)
S: McCourty 72.1 (23 out of 91)
S: Holland 81.6 (5 out of 91)

K Sanders 58.4 (ranking not listed)
P Palardy 51.3 (31 out of 33)
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Some look plausible and then you get to Howard and just laugh. It goes to show how flawed the analysis is. Kind of like when they show the passer rating against a DB and it’s super high but they leave out the fact that it was on 3 catches for 17 yards.

The Davis number is laughable too. The D got a major boost when he returned. He eats space which is what he’s asked to do.
 
brumdog44 said:
Oops....added him in now.

Here are the changes in the rankings in the last two weeks....great to see the general trend is our guys going up the rankings.

Tua: up 6.
Hollins: down 2
Wilson: same
Parker: up 13
Waddle: up 16
Gesecki: down 3
Shaheen: up 2
Smythe: up 10
Gaskin: down 1
Deiter: down 8
Hunt: up 8
Jackson: down 3
Davis: down 4
Eichenberg: down 4

Sieler: up 2
Davis: up 6
Wilkins: same
Van Ginkel: up 14
Ogbah: up 3
Phillips: up 13
Roberts: up 13
Baker: down 2
Coleman: down 3
By. Jones: up 14
Needham: up 2
Howard: up 15
Br. Jones: up 1
Rowe: down 3
McCourty: down 2
Holland: up 2

Average offensive player has moved up 2 spots in the rankings the past two weeks, average defensive player has moved up 5 spots.
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This is much more telling than the initial scores. Thanks for posting. Only 4 on defense not going up. According to them only Hunt is not descending on O Line though Tua seems to have more time to pass?
 
I’m not a big believer in PFF grades for a lot of reasons, but I don’t take issue with most of these ranks. One question: How are there 24 receivers worse than Albert Wilson?
 
Those O-line rankings are tough to look at.

I also would not put much stock at all into those CB rankings.

Our scheme asks far more of our Corners than most others.

Most surprised about how low Raekwon Davis is ranked.

He is being asked to eat up a bunch of double teams so not sure I see eye to eye here with PFF.

I have been a huge detractor of these rankings but this round seems to be on par with what my eyes tell me.
 
brumdog44 said:
Oops....added him in now.

Here are the changes in the rankings in the last two weeks....great to see the general trend is our guys going up the rankings.

Tua: up 6.
Hollins: down 2
Wilson: same
Parker: up 13
Waddle: up 16
Gesecki: down 3
Shaheen: up 2
Smythe: up 10
Gaskin: down 1
Deiter: down 8
Hunt: up 8
Jackson: down 3
Davis: down 4
Eichenberg: down 4

Sieler: up 2
Davis: up 6
Wilkins: same
Van Ginkel: up 14
Ogbah: up 3
Phillips: up 13
Roberts: up 13
Baker: down 2
Coleman: down 3
By. Jones: up 14
Needham: up 2
Howard: up 15
Br. Jones: up 1
Rowe: down 3
McCourty: down 2
Holland: up 2

Average offensive player has moved up 2 spots in the rankings the past two weeks, average defensive player has moved up 5 spots.
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If I'm reading this right, a number of players are grading better than they appear. Let's take Waddle. Now ranked 16th which is up 16, meaning he WAS ranked 32. But that's not the end of it. To get to 16 - a rise of 16, he has to grade 10th (that number is fabricated).
Or take Roberts. To move up 13 to 54, he has to be playing about 40th to get to the 54th on average.
Wish we had a more accurate idea of how those numbers are derived. I hope Brum posts updates in a couple more weeks.
DISCLAIMER: Like most here, some of those numbers are so far from what I see as reasonable, I'm not too concerned
 
I am thankful for my eyeballs. They tell me more.

I appreciate that people put in the work to compile their analysis. Just hard to agree with sometimes. The stats remove the human element.

I haven't agree with the Jaelen Phillips assessment, for quite awhile, not just because of his recent sack totals.
 
Thank you. Again a lot I agree with, that matches what I am seeing.

I don't think Wilkins is getting enough credit for the year he is having. Holland at numerous 5 is so impressive for a rookie.

Questions for the fan base. Has Davis played better than that at NT? Obviously, I disagree with the Phillips ranking.
 
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