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Uwe von Schamann was hilariously bad in 1984

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9-19? Maybe don't try clown shoes?

Watching 1984 Div Rnd Plyff. Uwe blows another one.
It's too 'on the nose' for a movie subplot.
Surprised we didnt have a WR Named 'ACL Johnson'. My bad, that was in the sequel.
 
I believe MIA had a real shot at the SB in 81-82 had UVS been a reliable kicker.

They clearly would have beaten SD in the Epic game in MIA and who knows how they fare in the crazy wind chill conditions against CIN but I know they were a better team.

And the SF team that played in the SB that season was a far cry from the one we faced in ‘85.
 
Still have nightmares (well not anymore, really...) over those two game winners he missed vs SD. The one he missed in OT was like a 35 yarder. It was appropriate his real game footage was used as Ray Finkel.
 
Miami had some great kickers over the years, but there was a streak of bad ones.
 
Funny how we had such a legend of a head coach but we couldn't find a replacement for a kicker who went 9 of 19.

Go figure!
 
Funny how we had such a legend of a head coach but we couldn't find a replacement for a kicker who went 9 of 19.

Go figure!
He was terrible that year but oddly enough he was our best player in the SB. 3-3 on FGs, made his PAT (he missed 4 that year), had a great opening kickoff that forced the 69er return man to field it at about his 7 and his momentum took him OOB and finally the squib kick prior to the half that got us a turnover and a FG as time expired. But yeah, after his debacle in the ‘81 division round he lost his confidence or something.

One other thing - kickers weren’t as accurate back then. 9-19 was really bad but look at what Garo did in our ‘72 season. He was probably around 55-60% if memory serves me. That was kind of the norm for whatever reason.
 
Miami had some great kickers over the years, but there was a streak of bad ones.
My favorites were Mare, Stoyo and Fuad Reveiz. Colonel Sanders is growing on me. Garo was on our title teams but that boner of a play in the SB was the difference between winning 17-0 which would have been so fitting and having to kill the clock / stop the skins again in a game that was never close.
 
I remember when I was 9 and we had our extended family at my aunt's house betting on the Super VII score. I first thought it was going to be 17-0 but I knew it couldn't be easy. I won it with a 14-7 and won the next year being off the Vikings score by 3 points. I wish I still had those premonitions like I use too....lol
 
My favorites were Mare, Stoyo and Fuad Reveiz. Colonel Sanders is growing on me. Garo was on our title teams but that boner of a play in the SB was the difference between winning 17-0 which would have been so fitting and having to kill the clock / stop the skins again in a game that was never close.
What I hate is that's the play you see most often associated with Super Bowl VII. Made it look like a much closer game that it actually was too.

If memory serves, Csonka had a 49-yard run and it looked like Miami was going to take a 21-0 lead, but Griese threw an interception in the endzone. So, could have also been 21-0.

A win is a win and it's the biggest in Miami's history. First championship, completing an unbeaten season. It's just people talk about it being a close game when it really wasn't.
 
One other thing - kickers weren’t as accurate back then. 9-19 was really bad but look at what Garo did in our ‘72 season. He was probably around 55-60% if memory serves me. That was kind of the norm for whatever reason.
Exactly. 50/50 wasn't considered a disaster. Maybe by 1984 it was bad but nothing compared to how it would be viewed today. There is no question placekicking accuracy has changed more than any other aspect of the game, since I began following as a young kid. It used to truly feel like a 50/50 proposition. Now any miss is a surprise.

There were several contributing variables like multipurpose fields with dirt infields and swirling winds. But the greatest factor is superior mechanics and specialized coaching. I used to see one guy after another stand up to the ball wrong, like an amateur golfer who has no idea what he is doing. Early NFL soccer style kickers were mostly winging it on their own because the teams didn't have special teams coaches who knew a darn thing about that style. Even with Olindo Mare I'd see occasional variance where he'd stand several inches away from his typical approach angle. That flaw got noticeably worse midway through his career, leading to predictable side toward the error. I used to mention it all the time on the alt.miamidolphins message board and likewise when I first joined this site, to quite a bit of skepticism. I was wagering man to man on dozens of field goals per weekend in that era so it was simple to identify.

Nowadays that type of thing is still somewhat prevalent in college football but all but gone in the NFL. Jason Sanders is like a golfer with the same perfect setup and swing plane every time.

BTW, I've mentioned it many times but Garo never receives 2% the credit he deserved toward that unbeaten season. It never happens without the 51 yard field goal outdoors at Metropolitan Stadium in the middle of the fourth quarter of week 3, trailing 14-6 and with no 2-point conversion in that era. Given that stadium and field goal percentages of that era, Garo was a considerable underdog. I remember my dad and I had basically no hope at all once Garo lined up for that kick. We expected a forced line drive that would barely get off the ground. Then we were astonished when he actually made it, keeping hope alive at 14-9. Griese hit Mandich with the game winner very late. I was always extremely disappointed in other Dolphin players and coaches that they didn't have enough situational clarity to heap praise on Garo for that kick, given everything that unfolded later in 1972. There are only a handful of plays that stand out toward saving 17-0. That is certainly one of them, along with Morrall's deep bass to Warfield in the middle of the 4th quarter while trailing Cleveland in the first round playoff game, and the Larry Seiple fake punt at Pittsburgh. Plus Griese being asserted in that game at halftime and almost immediately hitting Warfield with a quick slant rumbling deep into Steeler territory.
 
Exactly. 50/50 wasn't considered a disaster. Maybe by 1984 it was bad but nothing compared to how it would be viewed today. There is no question placekicking accuracy has changed more than any other aspect of the game, since I began following as a young kid. It used to truly feel like a 50/50 proposition. Now any miss is a surprise.

There were several contributing variables like multipurpose fields with dirt infields and swirling winds. But the greatest factor is superior mechanics and specialized coaching. I used to see one guy after another stand up to the ball wrong, like an amateur golfer who has no idea what he is doing. Early NFL soccer style kickers were mostly winging it on their own because the teams didn't have special teams coaches who knew a darn thing about that style. Even with Olindo Mare I'd see occasional variance where he'd stand several inches away from his typical approach angle. That flaw got noticeably worse midway through his career, leading to predictable side toward the error. I used to mention it all the time on the alt.miamidolphins message board and likewise when I first joined this site, to quite a bit of skepticism. I was wagering man to man on dozens of field goals per weekend in that era so it was simple to identify.

Nowadays that type of thing is still somewhat prevalent in college football but all but gone in the NFL. Jason Sanders is like a golfer with the same perfect setup and swing plane every time.

BTW, I've mentioned it many times but Garo never receives 2% the credit he deserved toward that unbeaten season. It never happens without the 51 yard field goal outdoors at Metropolitan Stadium in the middle of the fourth quarter of week 3, trailing 14-6 and with no 2-point conversion in that era. Given that stadium and field goal percentages of that era, Garo was a considerable underdog. I remember my dad and I had basically no hope at all once Garo lined up for that kick. We expected a forced line drive that would barely get off the ground. Then we were astonished when he actually made it, keeping hope alive at 14-9. Griese hit Mandich with the game winner very late. I was always extremely disappointed in other Dolphin players and coaches that they didn't have enough situational clarity to heap praise on Garo for that kick, given everything that unfolded later in 1972. There are only a handful of plays that stand out toward saving 17-0. That is certainly one of them, along with Morrall's deep bass to Warfield in the middle of the 4th quarter while trailing Cleveland in the first round playoff game, and the Larry Seiple fake punt at Pittsburgh. Plus Griese being asserted in that game at halftime and almost immediately hitting Warfield with a quick slant rumbling deep into Steeler territory.
Great post. I too am guilty of having forgot about the 51 yard FG vs Minny. You’re right - the plays in Cleveland to Warfield and the gutsy fake punt call in the championship game are the ones that really stand out. I imagine many people hearing about a 51 yard FG today aren’t that impressed but man was the kicking game so different back then as you so well articulated - which got me thinking - placekicking has become far less exciting than it even was in the 90’s for example when a 2 minute drill to get into FG range wasn’t a gimme. Perhaps it’s time to make the uprights more narrow, hand a truck tire up there and you have to kick it through - I don’t have any good ideas but the play isn’t the white knuckler that it used to be. It almost seems as though any FG attempt has the intrigue of what the old PAT attempt had when FGs were still hard.
 
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