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Validation Sunday for the Miami Dolphins

J. David Wannyheimer said:
He'll be questioned regardless of what happens because the team's record under him will be .500 or worse.

Nobody is questioning Russell Wilson right now -- even though his play was absolutely turdlike this past weekend -- because his team has a very good record.
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Qb's are judged on their record. I think he will be pressure all game and it will be similar to last week.
 
hooshoops said:
the qbs already validated himself...but he'll do it again sunday
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Hoops he hasn't validated s h I t!!
He has improved and looks to be our guy, and a future pro bowler. But, he has not done sh it yet. If he does not learn to improve his pocket awareness he may never be what we think/hope he will be.
His ability to make tough throws in tight windows that is not a question, he has done that. Consistency, pocket awareness- That we need to see
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
He'll be questioned regardless of what happens because the team's record under him will be .500 or worse.

Nobody is questioning Russell Wilson right now -- even though his play was absolutely turdlike this past weekend -- because his team has a very good record.
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yes, russell wilson did play like dog**** last weekend, but then again, when your team is 12-2 entering week 16, u get a pass.

also, ppl like to bring up how much talent wilson has around him, but these same ppl tend to forget that in 2011, the year before wilson was drafted, the seahawks, who have many of the same players then as they do now on offense, went 7-9, in a much worse nfc west at the time.

last year the seahawks were not supposed to be that good, but they got good qb play and it resulted in a playoff appearance, and a very close loss in the divisional round to the falcons.

yes, seattle has talent overall, but wilsons talent on offense is not as great as ppl on this site like to make it be. he lost rice early, harvin has basically not played, so his top wrs r doug baldwin and golden tate, both guys who were on the 7-9 2011 team a year before wilson.

wilson has validated himself already, and does not get as much credit as he deserves around here.

if tannehill plays like **** again sunday, he will deserve all the criticism he will get. if you are going to be an elite qb, u need to step up in big situations. this week is as big as it gets so far.
 
Wanny,

Your signature is very very interesting! If that doesn't show those morons that we must mix up cadence, and Pouncey needs to find a way to stop the movement to give away the snap, what will?
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
yes, russell wilson did play like dog**** last weekend, but then again, when your team is 12-2 entering week 16, u get a pass.

also, ppl like to bring up how much talent wilson has around him, but these same ppl tend to forget that in 2011, the year before wilson was drafted, the seahawks, who have many of the same players then as they do now on offense, went 7-9, in a much worse nfc west at the time.

last year the seahawks were not supposed to be that good, but they got good qb play and it resulted in a playoff appearance, and a very close loss in the divisional round to the falcons.

yes, seattle has talent overall, but wilsons talent on offense is not as great as ppl on this site like to make it be. he lost rice early, harvin has basically not played, so his top wrs r doug baldwin and golden tate, both guys who were on the 7-9 2011 team a year before wilson.

wilson has validated himself already, and does not get as much credit as he deserves around here.

if tannehill plays like **** again sunday, he will deserve all the criticism he will get. if you are going to be an elite qb, u need to step up in big situations. this week is as big as it gets so far.
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Great Post!
 
I like RT, but he can make defending him a lot easier by helping his team win Sunday.
 
Hayden Fox said:
I have read some people's posts that state that it will not mean much if the team makes the playoffs because they "won't go anywhere". Or people using statistics to show there is not much difference of 9-7 to 8-8. I could not disagree more. This game is huge for the very foundation of the Miami Dolphins in the years to come. A win and progress can be claimed. A win and some help, the team reaches a plateau that is very difficult to achieve.
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Just like 2008 was "huge for the very foundation of the Miami Dolphins in the years to come"??? If we make the playoffs this year, we'll have barely squeaked in. And not because so many other teams played well, but because so many other teams had mediocre seasons. You're making it out to be way more significant than it's likely to be.
 
slk018 said:
Great Post!
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thanks man, just trying to keep it real.

we can only hope that tannehill validates himself for many years in a fins uniform, but to say he is validated already is premature.

he has had great moments, but he has also had lots of wtf moments. he has been average so far as a fins qb, and our record last year and even this year regardless if we finish 8-8 or 9-7 correlates to that.

its ok if ppl want to say he is young and they think he has lots of potential to get much better, fine, but if u r going to say how he is a top 10 qb now and already talk about how he is on his way to becoming elite, u need to start performing like that.

expectations need to be raised if ppl r going to start calling him top 10 in the league ( which i have seen ppl on here do) or elite.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
yes, russell wilson did play like dog**** last weekend, but then again, when your team is 12-2 entering week 16, u get a pass.

also, ppl like to bring up how much talent wilson has around him, but these same ppl tend to forget that in 2011, the year before wilson was drafted, the seahawks, who have many of the same players then as they do now on offense, went 7-9, in a much worse nfc west at the time.

last year the seahawks were not supposed to be that good, but they got good qb play and it resulted in a playoff appearance, and a very close loss in the divisional round to the falcons.

yes, seattle has talent overall, but wilsons talent on offense is not as great as ppl on this site like to make it be. he lost rice early, harvin has basically not played, so his top wrs r doug baldwin and golden tate, both guys who were on the 7-9 2011 team a year before wilson.

wilson has validated himself already, and does not get as much credit as he deserves around here.

if tannehill plays like **** again sunday, he will deserve all the criticism he will get. if you are going to be an elite qb, u need to step up in big situations. this week is as big as it gets so far.
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Wilson is a beast and in all likelihood will go on to be the SuperBowl MVP in February.
 
Ilovemyfins4eva said:
yes, russell wilson did play like dog**** last weekend, but then again, when your team is 12-2 entering week 16, u get a pass.
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All I'm saying is, he's had several stinkers, and because the team keeps winning games on things like Matt Schaub pick sixes with 1:47 to play -- WHEN THE TEXANS ARE UP BY 7 -- he is not being questioned. I believe that wins and losses have more to do with the overall talent level of the team than they do with the coach or quarterback, unless you have one of those truly incredible players or a huge disparity in coaching skill.

It's not a knock on Wilson to say that he's overrated right now in much the same way that Andy Dalton is. Wilson is a better player and I think he will prove to be an upper echelon NFL quarterback, but he's had multiple games in which he was downright bad.

None of these young QBs are elite yet. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are both worth 5 or 6 wins over a Matt Moore or Kyle Orton type of player. Wilson, Tannehill, and Luck put together might be worth 3 or 4. None of these young QBs are even top ten yet and every amount of praise we heap on them (I'm a big fan of Luck for instance) should go with that implied caveat that most of what we're looking at right now is potential.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
None of these young QBs are elite yet. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are both worth 5 or 6 wins over a Matt Moore or Kyle Orton type of player. Wilson, Tannehill, and Luck put together might be worth 3 or 4. None of these young QBs are even top ten yet and every amount of praise we heap on them (I'm a big fan of Luck for instance) should go with that implied caveat that most of what we're looking at right now is potential.
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Wilson is. Youngest QB ever with 2 seasons with a passer rating of 100+ (assuming he finishes decent), this is a significant stat because every QB in the history of the league with multiple seasons of 100+ passer rating has gone on to win SBs and I imagine all of them were SB MVPs, all except one--Phillip Rivers.
 
roy_miami said:
Wilson is. Youngest QB ever with 2 seasons with a passer rating of 100+ (assuming he finishes decent), this is a significant stat because every QB in the history of the league with multiple seasons of 100+ passer rating has gone on to win SBs and I imagine all of them were SB MVPs, all except one--Phillip Rivers.
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Statistically, Russell Wilson and Nick Foles are both top ten QBs right now, I think. Nick Foles might actually be like top three? It's difficult to isolate a player for evaluation because of all that goes into football, but I don't think either of those guys are top ten QBs in the NFL right now. Just like I didn't think Robert Griffin was a top 5 or whatever player last year.

Nick Foles, for instance, is playing in a one read offense. If it's not there, he just takes off, checks down to McCoy, or pitches the ball out of bounds. Now perhaps you can't argue with results, but I would say that Chip Kelly is a significantly better as a coach -- and Lesean McCoy is significantly better as a RB -- than Nick Foles is as a QB.

I watch all of these players and you can call me a homer or anything else you like, but I don't think they are light years ahead of Ryan Tannehill as quarterbacks. I think they are being put in much better positions by coaches and GMs who are much better than our coaches and GM, and they have rushing attacks that are much, much better than our rushing attack. And to be honest, this isn't really a 'defense' of Tannehill. He does have a lot to prove -- I totally agree with that assertion -- but my point is that so do Wilson, Foles, Luck, Griffin, Kaepernick, all of these guys. I don't think ANY of them have played at a high level consistently except for Foles, and as I've said, I remain VERY skeptical of him right now.
 
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