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So Eric Winston would be bad for us? I think proven players should be considered, however, I'm waiting to be impressed in the draft. Philbin must have had something to do with the receivers drafted in GB. I'm putting my eggs in the draft with Jeff AND Philbin AND Sherman. I'd like that Trifecta workin' this draft board hard.
 
LobsterMobster said:
NYinBostonFin took the words out of my mouth. The top teams rarely have a need to fill many positions in FA because they're already good.
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They got good strictly through the draft with the exception of Drew Brees. Philbin said it himself, in eight years with the Packers not a single free agent that they singed started for them on offense.
 
I agree and tried to post a thread as the Eagles as an example of how siging overpriced "big name" free agents is not the way to make your team better for the future. The first problem is that alot of those players have been around for a while and expect to be paid very well, sometimes TOO well, to play elsewhere. Then you are competing with how many other teams to sign that player which drives the cost up as well. Then how many times have we seen once they get that huge contract they get complacent and do not live up to the paycheck from then on. It does get annoying when a bunch of fans think we need to go out and sign every player available at every position of need and in the process cripple the team for years to come. I will not defend Ireland completely because he certainly has made some mistakes, but name a GM that hasn't. Also, I haven't really seen anyone mention this before but maybe some of these players aren't really as bad as they seem because our coaching staff has been subpar for how many years as well. Hopefully this staff can develop young players from the draft and build a good team for years to come and fill in, where needed with common sense, through free agency. That is the formula for prolonged success in the NFL. Just look at another AFC East team, the Patriots, that has been damn good for quite a while and where have they gotten most of their team's nucleus, in the draft. Here lately though it seems they have started going after some more free agents, all be it average players at best, and it looks as though they may have started taking a step or two backwards because of it. But they still have the nucleus to help them be a consistently good team. Bottom line is we need to have at least 2-3 years of good, solid drafting and fill in the cracks here and there when there is a decently priced free agent which can help.
 
it is and it isn't very telling. yes great teams are made through the draft most of the time, not all of the time, look at what the Pats did on your list. 12 new FAs and they almost won it last year. I think you have to pick your spots wisely when you go for FAs, we have been terrible at picking when to go all out on drafts and when to get the big name FAs. seems we always miss out on both.
 
The Saints do very well in Drafts...they had very fw KEY acquisitions through FA.

This does show a that a few very well calculatewd FA additions will do wonders to a team.
 
FINishedPerfect said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/13/nfl.2012.free.agent.tracker.afc/index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/13/nfl.2012.free.agent.tracker.nfc/index.html

These two links I have posted are very telling of how winning organizations build a team. Haven't you learned from the past mistakes like Redskins and more recently "The Dream Team" Eagles last year that free agency isn't where you create a team it's where you tweak adding parts here and there. If we look at the elite teams in the NFL: Steelers, Giants, Ravens, Texans, Green Bay, Saints they have added a total of
4
new free agents combined. I didn't included their own players they re-signed, just new additions. All I hear is Fireland, protest, don't buy season tickets, that we are the laughing stock, and nobody wants to play for us nonsense. Do you listen or just here when Philbin says he wants to build his team through the draft. Philbin formed his philosophy on team-building with the Green Bay Packers in recent years and the Green Bay way is to build almost exclusively through the draft. The Packers have not signed a free agent in two offseasons and Philbin believes, at least in part, that's the right way to do it. Remember how far Aaron Rodgers slipped in the draft and that Alex Smith was the number one pick that year. Yes we haven't been lucky recently and sometimes that's all you need in the NFL to turn things around quickly. So step away from the ledge, take the knife away from your wrist, and put the gun what till the draft to see what our team looks before your so quick to judge.
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Logic no longer exist on this site. The are putting the last 30 yrs on a very young and upcoming GM. History is the only thing that can prove Ireland to be right or wrong. I just hope hi sticks to his guns and do what perennial power houses have done. If it works out great and if it doesn't he at least tried to do it the right way.

You can't change people minds. It's only one way, since we have been so bad since 2008, common sense threads such as this is completely going to be disregard.
 
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Ireland does very well with value in the draft plugging holes. However, he needs to get a Qb this time. If he doesnt, i will start the protest. i promise.
 
Doing it primarily through the draft and few key FA are the right spot, time and money. That's the best formula. Problem is, like other have said, we've not fared very well in the draft with a few exceptions the last 5+ years. We can have 7 draft picks and hope 2 pan out. We need to get 7-9 picks and hope 5-7 of them work out.
 
csonk39 said:
Anyone remember Shula's last season? (1995) We were "just a player or two" away from the SB, having just lost a terribly disappointing AFC championship to the Chargers the year before. We proceed to pick up underachieving hacks like Eric Green, Terrell Buckley, Trace Armstrong, and Steve Emtman. (Ok, Trace only underachieved the year we got him). We all know the result in the playoffs - getting blown out by the Bills in the first round! Ever since then, I haven't put any stock in getting FAs.
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That Charger game was the divisional round
 
Trouble is, you have to "execute". Talking about theory gets you no where ... you need results ... Where's the beef?

Our drafting has been drivel for many years, including last year ... that's why we have so many losing seasons.

As it stand now ... .500 is a dream ... even with drafted rookies!! Vegas Over/Under will tell you all you need to know.

Matt Millen built through the draft & it didn't work out so good ... eh?
 
New england was fairly busy in free agency....i bet they win the division. Any takers!? You have to draft well, and supplement with free agency. But the bottom line you need good football players, playmakers who will contribute. Pats sign brandon lloyd we trade marshall...we sign artis hicks, pats sign tobert gallery.... we dont have the luxury of being in the nfc west where 9 or 10the wins, will get you a division title. We need better football players and 11-13 wins or were fighting for a wildcard... depth players and role players with an average qb isnt improvment enough to.compete in the afc east.
 
FINishedPerfect said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/13/nfl.2012.free.agent.tracker.afc/index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/13/nfl.2012.free.agent.tracker.nfc/index.html

These two links I have posted are very telling of how winning organizations build a team. Haven't you learned from the past mistakes like Redskins and more recently "The Dream Team" Eagles last year that free agency isn't where you create a team it's where you tweak adding parts here and there. If we look at the elite teams in the NFL: Steelers, Giants, Ravens, Texans, Green Bay, Saints they have added a total of
4
new free agents combined. I didn't included their own players they re-signed, just new additions. All I hear is Fireland, protest, don't buy season tickets, that we are the laughing stock, and nobody wants to play for us nonsense. Do you listen or just here when Philbin says he wants to build his team through the draft. Philbin formed his philosophy on team-building with the Green Bay Packers in recent years and the Green Bay way is to build almost exclusively through the draft. The Packers have not signed a free agent in two offseasons and Philbin believes, at least in part, that's the right way to do it. Remember how far Aaron Rodgers slipped in the draft and that Alex Smith was the number one pick that year. Yes we haven't been lucky recently and sometimes that's all you need in the NFL to turn things around quickly. So step away from the ledge, take the knife away from your wrist, and put the gun what till the draft to see what our team looks before your so quick to judge.
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Ireland has had 4 years to build his 6-10 team so obviously his draft approach had not been that great
 
When you suck and get high draft choices you need to make great picks...something we have been unable to do!
 
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