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At right guard, a final decision hasn't been made, but this much is clear: Veteran starter Jake Scott would love to play for the Dolphins. He visited here in April. The Dolphins haven't told him he's no longer being considered, but they haven't told him an offer is forthcoming, either. Ireland, when asked about Scott, wouldn't rule it out. But it's also clear Ireland and Joe Philbin prefer to give John Jerry every opportunity to win the job.


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Unlike Jerry, Scott has been an established, quality starter, starting every game the past six years. If you believe the numbers offered up by Pro Football Focus - which reviews every snap of every game - they would tell you that Scott graded out as the seventh best among 77 qualifying guards last season.
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Unlike John Jerry, Scott has been an established, quality starter, starting every game the past six years. If you believe the numbers offered up by Pro Football Focus - which reviews every snap of every game - they would tell you that Scott graded out as the seventh best among 77 qualifying guards last season.


PFF rated him a smidgen above average as a run blocker and well above average as a pass blocker. He allowed two sacks and 11 quarterback pressures. But the Titans decided to replace him with an older Steve Hutchinson, who obviously has had a terrific career.

For perspective, Vernon Carey (who remains unsigned) was rated 44th among guards last season.
 
The more I review players that PFF has grades on, the more I realize they really just constitute one among many as far as opinions and ways of seeing different plays and players. Their opinion counts more with me because I know that every single snap went into their judgment, and I know they track things that can be objectively measured to a great extent like sacks, hits and pressures, etc. However, in the end, they're just one set of eyes watching a guy.

That said, directionally they're not totally off on Jake Scott. He's a pretty good pass protector and that's the strength of his game, although I do question his ability to anchor against the bigger and more forceful defensive tackles out there like our own Paul Soliai. He's light in the pants and really has to bow his back to try and anchor against those guys, skirting disaster. But he's really not even an average run blocker, in my opinion. He's just so small. When you have smaller linemen like that, you run the danger of wearing down toward the end of the season. That's really the main argument against this zone running system which needs to make use of smaller, lighter linemen. The system is proven as far as creating spacing and good rushing numbers, but there are many that would argue that the linemen you need to run the system wear down by the end of the season, and this is why there hasn't been a true zone scheme to win the Super Bowl since the Broncos last won in 1998.
 
ckparrothead said:
The more I review players that PFF has grades on, the more I realize they really just constitute one among many as far as opinions and ways of seeing different plays and players. Their opinion counts more with me because I know that every single snap went into their judgment, and I know they track things that can be objectively measured to a great extent like sacks, hits and pressures, etc. However, in the end, they're just one set of eyes watching a guy.

That said, directionally they're not totally off on Jake Scott. He's a pretty good pass protector and that's the strength of his game, although I do question his ability to anchor against the bigger and more forceful defensive tackles out there like our own Paul Soliai. He's light in the pants and really has to bow his back to try and anchor against those guys, skirting disaster. But he's really not even an average run blocker, in my opinion. He's just so small. When you have smaller linemen like that, you run the danger of wearing down toward the end of the season. That's really the main argument against this zone running system which needs to make use of smaller, lighter linemen. The system is proven as far as creating spacing and good rushing numbers, but there are many that would argue that the linemen you need to run the system wear down by the end of the season, and this is why there hasn't been a true zone scheme to win the Super Bowl since the Broncos last won in 1998.
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The packers dont run a zone scheme?
 
But but but the media said no one wants to play in Miami.
 
The fact that this kind of quality player has gone unsigned for this long makes me feel like there's something wrong with him physically or mentally. On paper, it seems like a no brainer to sign the guy, stick him at right guard and have 4 out of 5 OL positions basically set for the near future. The fact that he has received such little attention on the open market raises some big question marks for me.
 
two concerns. 1. why hasnt he been signed yet if he is so good? and how much?
 
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Id love to sign him and have him battle with Jerry. At this point the price would be pretty cheap to bring him here and would give us EXCELLENT depth on the O-line, especially at OG, which we all can agree we need.
 
DrCpa said:
The packers dont run a zone scheme?
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Ah forgot about them. That's true, the first since Denver I believe. However, comparing the scheme they run with the ones typically thought of as zone schemes in the mold of Alex Gibbs/Mike Shanahan...not very similar. Packers hardly ran at all, and not very effectively.
 
CK, are there any other guards still available in FA that you think fit the zone scheme better than scott? I know you are way more on top of this stuff than anyone else and I haven't seen if you had mentioned it in any other posts. Thanks!
 
ckparrothead said:
The more I review players that PFF has grades on, the more I realize they really just constitute one among many as far as opinions and ways of seeing different plays and players. Their opinion counts more with me because I know that every single snap went into their judgment, and I know they track things that can be objectively measured to a great extent like sacks, hits and pressures, etc. However, in the end, they're just one set of eyes watching a guy.

That said, directionally they're not totally off on Jake Scott. He's a pretty good pass protector and that's the strength of his game, although I do question his ability to anchor against the bigger and more forceful defensive tackles out there like our own Paul Soliai. He's light in the pants and really has to bow his back to try and anchor against those guys, skirting disaster. But he's really not even an average run blocker, in my opinion. He's just so small. When you have smaller linemen like that, you run the danger of wearing down toward the end of the season. That's really the main argument against this zone running system which needs to make use of smaller, lighter linemen. The system is proven as far as creating spacing and good rushing numbers, but there are many that would argue that the linemen you need to run the system wear down by the end of the season, and this is why there hasn't been a true zone scheme to win the Super Bowl since the Broncos last won in 1998.
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If that's the case then why in the hell would we want a system where we have to use undersized o-linemen and watch them wear out at seasons end. Makes zero sense.
 
An there is a size difference with what we're looking for and what the Broncos had when they won Superbowls. Denver had a bunch of 280-290 pound guys on the o-line. We're looking for 310-315 pound guys who are athletic and can move. That's the size of many of the Patriots o-linemen.
 
DefensiveEnd76 said:
An there is a size difference with what we're looking for and what the Broncos had when they won Superbowls. Denver had a bunch of 280-290 pound guys on the o-line. We're looking for 310-315 pound guys who are athletic and can move. That's the size of many of the Patriots o-linemen.
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Not trying to say your point of view is flawed but they are not just about size, strength, and athleticism. Those guys are extremely consistent with their technique if anything. Lineman now a days are suppose to be everything you claim to want in one. The ones who don't pan out are usually lacking in technique and mental toughness.
 
insomnia411 said:
The fact that this kind of quality player has gone unsigned for this long makes me feel like there's something wrong with him physically or mentally. On paper, it seems like a no brainer to sign the guy, stick him at right guard and have 4 out of 5 OL positions basically set for the near future. The fact that he has received such little attention on the open market raises some big question marks for me.
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The way I understand it, he is being picky over what team he goes to. I'm sure he knows that while teams (like us) want their young RG etc to work, by the time the games start, they may have realized that they will not. Plus, injuries will happen.
 
I have little confidence that Jerry will ever be anything special. Best case scenario is that he will become a solid RG or a good #1 backup at G/OT.

That 3rd round pick could have been used so much better.
 
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