Vince Young wasn't even one of the 5 best offensive rookies...

[Breed]

The RoTy voting was a total sham, I'm not even sure Vince Young belonged 5th or 6th on the ballot.........let alone winning the award in a "landslide".

Many voters voted him RoTY because the Titans won 8 games with Vince Young at QB. Had they actually played closer attention to those wins and look at it from all angles (gametape, stat sheets), they would've seen that Vince Young had a "decent" year as a rookie QB. Here are a couple of examples of games the Titans won, that had nothing to do with the overall QB play:

31-13 over the Eagles: Young was 8/22 for 101 passing yards and 1 passing TD, he also had a fumble (recovered by the Titans) and 49 rushing yards in 6 rushing attempts.

'Pac Man" Jones returned a 90 yard punt return for a TD, Keith Bullock returned a fumble for a TD and Travis Henry ran a 70 yard TD. Meanwhile, the Titans defense gave up only 13 points and forced 3 turnovers. But the Titans won because Vince Young is a "winner", yeah right.

24-17 over the Jaguars: Vince Young goes 8/15 for 85 yards passing with no TDs and no INTs, he also had 4 rushing yards in 4 rushing attempts and 0 TDs, he also had a fumble (recovered by the Titans).

This was the game where the offense scored a total of 3 points and the defense scored 3 defensive TDs to win the game.

These were 2 of the biggest aberrations in the NFL this year (especially the Jaguars game). Vince Young is very unlikely to see that kind of aberation (more specifically the Jaguars game)in his favor again. Take away those 2 fluke wins and Vince Young was a 6-8 QB.

It's completely asinine to give somebody a personal performance award based on "team success" anyways. "The QB postion has been and will always be the position that gets the most credit for a win and the most blame for a loss", as I've said dozens of times.

I know Vince Young being a scrambling QB makes him a better QB than what his QB rating might indicate, but a 66.7 QB rating is horrible. His scrambling ability is the only thing that keeps him from being an absolute horrid QB.

Even if you adjust his QB rating so that every QB run is an attempt/completion (thus raising his comp % from 51.5% to 60.68%), every rushing attempt gets factored in into the YPA part of the equation (his YPA goes from 6.16 to 6.25), every rushing TD is factored into the "passing TD" part of the equation (Young had 12 passing TDs and 7 rushing TDs) and every fumble lost goes into the "INT" part of the equation......Young still wasn't a good QB. Adjusting QB passer rating to QB "efficiency" rating (which factors in all of Vicne Young's strengths as a runner), Vince Young has a 77.95 rating. Doing the same for every QB in the NFL, the average goes from anywhere around 78 to 82 QB Efficiency rating. Vince Young was on the low end of average.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/424340

Can anybody honestly claim that is a good season?

Then you have Marques Colston (1,038 yards receiving and 8 TDs), Joseph Addai (1,081 rushing yards, 325 yards receiving and 8 total touchdowns. He also averaged 4.8 ypc), Maurice Jones-Drew (941 rushing yards, 436 receiving yards and 15 total touchdowns. He averaged 5.7 ypc), Marcus McNeil (Played at a Pro Bowl level at Left Tackle for the Chargers. Was a big reason for LT's success...) and Devin Hester. If the voters were smart, Vince Young would've come in 7th in RoTY voting.

1. Maurice Drew
2. Marques Colston
3. Joseph Addai
4. Marcus McNeil
5. Devin Hester
6. Vince Young

You could probaly come up with a legit argument for any of those players in top 5, but there is a pretty substantial drop off after that.

 

[SCall13]

I agree that he shouldn't have won ROY. But some will argue that the QB position is the most difficult position to play, therefore it should garner more consideration...blah...blah...blah...

Vince Young is a great athlete, but not that great a QB. He might eventually be pretty good, but I personally think he will be an average passer like Vick. His pedestrian passing numbers were no where near impressive enough for him to have recieved the reward over some of the more deserving candidates. I was pretty surprised.

 

[DuderinoN703]

With those numbers I'd go with Jones-Drew winning the award. He wasn't even the starter and he's got more TDs then Ronnie Brown has in his career

 

[Mike13]

Yeah he really wasn't that impresssive, but I think he shall be a good QB.

 

[ch19079]

- jones-drew was a backup who played great. ill give him credit there.
- colston deserves a ton of credit. i would put him #2 on the list.
- addai ran well but mainly because the defenses had to do whatever they could to limit manning.
- Hester had a spectacular rookie season on special teams. but a kick returner is not even in the same league as a QB.
- dont even talk about a OT being offensive rookie of the year.

Numbers arnt everything. V. Young single handedly won half their games this year. he carried his team. they should have a top 3 or 4 draft pick, but because young played so great they won a lot more than they should. Young deserves offensive rookie of the year because of what he ment to his team. a special teams player, backup RB, or even a very good WR, did not change the coarse of a play, game, or season as much as Young did. he did have a few poor games, but definatly made up for them later in the season.

 

[Dolfan984]

I wanted Maurice Drew (who played in the same high school division as me :D )

to win it. Dude was just a monster all year.

 

[D-fins88]

I would of thought Jones-Drew as the winner that guy did amazing! I can't wait to see him play next year! and Devin Hester breaks an NFL record his first year thats really impressive but there was no chance he would win it. Vince Young would be my 3rd pick weather or not he alone won it he did outstanding for a rookie and gave his team the edge to make a run for the playoffs, and hey you see that 30 yard td he rushed in?...he is quick!

 

[bullseyeguy]

I dont understand why anyone would say an OT cant win the award...They play on offense, and if they are the best rookie player, why shouldnt they win it? Last time I checked, OL was a pretty important position...I guess we shouldnt give the DROY to D-Linemen then either...

 

[SKing29]

Well, living in Tennessee I get to see Young play every week and before he was a starter the Titans were pathetic and were a complete mess, but when Young came in this team did a complete 180 and became a team that believed in themselves. He took a team that should have been a 3 or 4 win team and made them a .500 team that could have made the playoffs if they had of beat the Pats, I mean who would of thought the Titans could have done that. So players like Jones-Drew and Colston put up huge numbers but they weren't the reason their teams did well, they were simply helpful to their team not what made the team (their teams would of had the same record without them). So maybe Vince didn't put up big numbers, but he did the best work out of all the rookies and made the biggest rookie impact on their team this year, and he should have been rookie of the year no doubt.

 

[Breed]

- jones-drew was a backup who played great. ill give him credit there.
- colston deserves a ton of credit. i would put him #2 on the list.
- addai ran well but mainly because the defenses had to do whatever they could to limit manning.

Addai averaged 4.8 ypc and had over 1,000 yards rushing, he was well above average at his postion. Having Peyton Manning on your team certainly helps, but there was only one other person on that team to average more than 3 ypc. Dominic Rhodes has served as a very good backup RB since The Edgerrin James era, yet he only averaged 3.4 ypc this year (his career ypc is 4.1).

Vince Young was on the low end of average (or slightly below average factoring in his scrambling ability), whereas every player I mentioned were all well above average at their respective positions.

- Hester had a spectacular rookie season on special teams. but a kick returner is not even in the same league as a QB.
- dont even talk about a OT being offensive rookie of the year.

Devin Hester may have been the best Special Teamer in the NFL last year, Vince Young was an average (at best) QB. Elite Special Teamer>>>>>>>>>>>average NFL QB

Pro Bowl LT>average QB

Numbers arnt everything. V. Young single handedly won half their games this year. he carried his team.

He single handedly lost more games than he single handedly won. Try looking at weeks 2,4,5,9 and 17. Take away those 2 fluke wins and the Titans finished 6-8 with Vince Young at QB.

they should have a top 3 or 4 draft pick, but because young played so great they won a lot more than they should. Young deserves offensive rookie of the year because of what he ment to his team. a special teams player, backup RB, or even a very good WR, did not change the coarse of a play, game, or season as much as Young did. he did have a few poor games, but definatly made up for them later in the season.

That seems to be the common misconception.

 

[HysterikiLL]

It's clear you've put a lot of though into this, being that you have Devin Hester listed twice on your ballot ahead of Young. You have him ahead of McNeill and behind McNeill, and since that creates an internal inaccuracy the size of Jupiter, I'm going to completely disregard this entire thread.

 

[daniel3]

It's completely asinine to give somebody a personal performance award based on "team success" anyways.

And team success has nothing to do with the play of any of the 6 you listed before Young? Does the fact that they are on considerably better teams lend nothing to the reason why they have better stats? I guess if we placed them on the Titans starting roster stead of Young, you would have seen Titans do even more.

 

[Breed]

Well, living in Tennessee I get to see Young play every week and before he was a starter the Titans were pathetic and were a complete mess, but when Young came in this team did a complete 180 and became a team that believed in themselves. He took a team that should have been a 3 or 4 win team and made them a .500 team that could have made the playoffs if they had of beat the Pats, I mean who would of thought the Titans could have done that.

Vince Young can thank his defense/special teams for two of his 8 wins. Kerry Collins was probably the worst QB in the NFL this year, Vince Young was 'average'. There is a pretty big differnce between worst in the NFL and 'average'.

So players like Jones-Drew and Colston put up huge numbers but they weren't the reason their teams did well, they were simply helpful to their team not what made the team (their teams would of had the same record without them). So maybe Vince didn't put up big numbers, but he did the best work out of all the rookies and made the biggest rookie impact on their team this year, and he should have been rookie of the year no doubt.

This is the same garbage Harrington lovers were spewing earlier this season..........

You would have to be an absolute fool to think the players I listed didn't make a significant impact. The Colts were probably a 9 or 10 win team without Addai, the Jaguars are probably a 6 win team without Drew. Where is the Saints offense without Colston? Marcus McNeil was a big reason why the Chargers offense was the best in the NFL.

 

[nick1]

You would have to be an absolute fool to think the players I listed didn't make a significant impact. The Colts were probably a 9 or 10 win team without Addai, the Jaguars are probably a 6 win team without Drew. Where is the Saints offense without Colston? Marcus McNeil was a big reason why the Chargers offense was the best in the NFL.

:sidelol:

the Colts can win 11 games without a running game and even without Addai they have a good running game with Rhodes. The Jags would have been just as good without Jones-Drew, Taylor was tearing it up for an old man. are you kidding me about the Saints? they have Horn, McAllister, Bush, Henderson and an MVP at QB. not saying Colston didn't help but come on they have the #1 offense in the NFL and too many weapons. when Colston went down did the Saints skip a beat, when Horn went down did they skip a beat?

and please Young played very good as a rookie considering his team, the Titans have no good WRs and a lacking o-line. yet he still did what he did. just wait until he gets a good team around him. best QB in the league in two years write it down

 

[Breed]

It's clear you've put a lot of though into this, being that you have Devin Hester listed twice on your ballot ahead of Young. You have him ahead of McNeill and behind McNeill, and since that creates an internal inaccuracy the size of Jupiter, I'm going to completely disregard this entire thread.

The longer the post, the more likely it is there will be mistakes. I'm sure you've never had mistakes like that in any of the 9,000+ posts you've made, or maybe they're all 2-3 line posts comenting on errors made by other posters.

I fail to see how having the same name twice on a list would invalidate the argument that Vince Young was mediocre.