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This is not a bash W. Huizenga thread. His heart is in the right place. He just did not know what the heck he was doing.

He thought Jimmy Johnson did, and due to his own lack of football knowledge trusted his JJ's judgement about wanstadt. This launched our debacle.

Huizenga, like most of us, continued to repeat the same mistake over and over again. Few of us have the stage that Huizenga has, so his neurosis was a little more public. These included such poor decisions as selecting Saban and Cameron. Both times Huizenga revealed he is way over his head in making football decisions.

This is the part where our nightmare ends and a new dream begins.

Bill Parcels knows what he is doing.

Face it, Miami is one of the greatest places an athlete can live. To be wealthy, young and single... it is a dream come true. Beautiful women, incredible beaches and what have you - one of the sexiest places on earth right now.

Many star players have roots in the city as well because of the great high school and college traditions in the state.

I believe Parcels will begin to make this team an exciting team and win some from the get go. This will set in motion our dreams of returning to dominating teams for long stretches of time (like from say 2009 till 2017 where we dominate the Bills, Jets and Patriots...like in days of yesteryor).

I'm only dreaming...
 
This dam dead horse is just not responding. :)
 
raving said:
This is not a bash W. Huizenga thread. His heart is in the right place. He just did not know what the heck he was doing.

He thought Jimmy Johnson did, and due to his own lack of football knowledge trusted his JJ's judgement about wanstadt. This launched our debacle.

Huizenga, like most of us, continued to repeat the same mistake over and over again. Few of us have the stage that Huizenga has, so his neurosis was a little more public. These included such poor decisions as selecting Saban and Cameron. Both times Huizenga revealed he is way over his head in making football decisions.

This is the part where our nightmare ends and a new dream begins.

Bill Parcels knows what he is doing.

Face it, Miami is one of the greatest places an athlete can live. To be wealthy, young and single... it is a dream come true. Beautiful women, incredible beaches and what have you - one of the sexiest places on earth right now.

Many star players have roots in the city as well because of the great high school and college traditions in the state.

I believe Parcels will begin to make this team an exciting team and win some from the get go. This will set in motion our dreams of returning to dominating teams for long stretches of time (like from say 2009 till 2017 where we dominate the Bills, Jets and Patriots...like in days of yesteryor).

I'm only dreaming...
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Perhaps the Tuna will finally make a difference, after all, we can only get better from here, but in regards to Mr. H, you have to look at his general business practices to appreciate his MO with regards to ownership of the Fins.

From a business view, he has let the FO run the show until he had to make a change. Hiring JJ wasn't a mistake until JJ wussed out. JJ was very weak in evaluating offensive talent, but just might have gotten it right if he'd stayed on.

Wann-Spiel was where Mr. H really made his mistakes. He settled for a "winning record" instead of the continued evolution of the talent level of the franchise. Wann-Speil took JJ's talent and ran it into the ground, the team being the proverbial 'bridesmaid but never the bride'. Mr. H should have been able to see through that but, as you said, his lack of NFL knowledge probably accounted for that.

Saban, IMHO, truly buffaloed Mr. H into thinking he was the answer. He was, after all a highly sought-after NFL commodity, you can't really blame him for wanting a name presence to revitalize the team. Saban also wussed out on us. Again, I can't blame Mr. H for that.

I think the hiring of Cam and staff had more to do with Mr. H re-evaluating whether or not he truly wanted to continue to own the Fins. I think his desire of ownership was in doubt this past year. His decision to hook the Tuna tells me that he once again wants to continue to be the owner of the Fins, that he's once again excited about seeing the team progress.

The Tuna's decision to dump Cam, was in actuality, something that Mr. H probably did not want to do, based on his prior reluctance to fire his executives. I would love to work for Mr. H. He has a loyalty to his employees and drive to make the individuals n his organization successful that is missing from many top 500 companies.

So, to 'blame' Mr. H for the downward spiral this team has taken the last 10 years is just not accurate. However, I'd be willing to bet that if you asked him about the teams' sad state of affairs, he'd take full responsibility for it.
As to the Tuna, frankly, I was much more excited about Cam's chances than Sparano's, at this point. The level of talent is still not going to be conducive to seeing major improvement this coming season.

Of course, you can always look on the bright side. saying that despite our issues, we lost 6 games by 3 points or less and that Ginn, LoBook, Satele, and Mauia all had positive affects on the team this year. Beck is still a question, but not a 'bust' by any stretch of the imagination. So, perhaps the battle for Sparano and the Tuna isn't as uphill as it seems...
 
i hesitate to put much (if any) blame on Huizenga.

Look, he's a business guy, not a football guy. He does his best to bring talent to the table. The fact that the guys he brings in can't get the job done is not his fault. He's the anti-Jerry Jones, rarely gets involved (if at all) in the day-to-day operations. He's not afraid to throw cash around to get the best people available. What's the problem with that in an owner?
 
All of the coaches hired, except Wannstedt was the most sought after and the most popular candidates at the time. What else could he do differently? He has opened his checkbook and given the hire everything he wanted. Would any of us thought that Jimmy Johnson would have turned his back on the Dolphins and snuck his friend in the back door? Look at the reputation and prestige Johnson had from his Dallas success. We wont even mention Wannstedt because Wayne was listening to his friend JJ. Look at how popular and sought after Saban was, would we have thought he would mess over us the way he did when he was hired? Cameron was a popular candidate and was highly rated for what he did in San Diego. Who would have thought the Dolphins would totally implode the way they did? Nobody can say Wayne didn't try to give us a winner. What can you do other than hire the best candidate or the most sought after candidate at the time. When has Wayne denied our coaches or GMs anything, players or coaches. When has he ever interfered with the coaches or GM? This is all JMO but his bringing in Parcells is proof he wants to give Miami a winner.
 
i blame Huzienga big time for the mess we are in. He has been too hands off, I think he finally realized he needed someone to get involved so he brought in parcells. He is still a wimp in the football circles because he had to hire someone to fire his mistake.
 
Huizenga has been on my **** list ever since he dismantled the '97 Marlins. That, plus all his stupid hirings have made me despise him for over a decade. Hopefully Parcells brings in some decent players and makes them atleast somewhat entertaining again.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Perhaps the Tuna will finally make a difference, after all, we can only get better from here, but in regards to Mr. H, you have to look at his general business practices to appreciate his MO with regards to ownership of the Fins.

From a business view, he has let the FO run the show until he had to make a change. Hiring JJ wasn't a mistake until JJ wussed out. JJ was very weak in evaluating offensive talent, but just might have gotten it right if he'd stayed on.

Wann-Spiel was where Mr. H really made his mistakes. He settled for a "winning record" instead of the continued evolution of the talent level of the franchise. Wann-Speil took JJ's talent and ran it into the ground, the team being the proverbial 'bridesmaid but never the bride'. Mr. H should have been able to see through that but, as you said, his lack of NFL knowledge probably accounted for that.

Saban, IMHO, truly buffaloed Mr. H into thinking he was the answer. He was, after all a highly sought-after NFL commodity, you can't really blame him for wanting a name presence to revitalize the team. Saban also wussed out on us. Again, I can't blame Mr. H for that.

I think the hiring of Cam and staff had more to do with Mr. H re-evaluating whether or not he truly wanted to continue to own the Fins. I think his desire of ownership was in doubt this past year. His decision to hook the Tuna tells me that he once again wants to continue to be the owner of the Fins, that he's once again excited about seeing the team progress.

The Tuna's decision to dump Cam, was in actuality, something that Mr. H probably did not want to do, based on his prior reluctance to fire his executives. I would love to work for Mr. H. He has a loyalty to his employees and drive to make the individuals n his organization successful that is missing from many top 500 companies.

So, to 'blame' Mr. H for the downward spiral this team has taken the last 10 years is just not accurate. However, I'd be willing to bet that if you asked him about the teams' sad state of affairs, he'd take full responsibility for it.
As to the Tuna, frankly, I was much more excited about Cam's chances than Sparano's, at this point. The level of talent is still not going to be conducive to seeing major improvement this coming season.

Of course, you can always look on the bright side. saying that despite our issues, we lost 6 games by 3 points or less and that Ginn, LoBook, Satele, and Mauia all had positive affects on the team this year. Beck is still a question, but not a 'bust' by any stretch of the imagination. So, perhaps the battle for Sparano and the Tuna isn't as uphill as it seems...
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Huizenga does not know football. When he blundered with Wanstadt, which was a knowable mistake (Chicago fans HATED the guy, probably still do) he needed to declare that he did not know anything about football and should never make another football decision again.

He refused to come to terms with the fact that he could own the team and get the right kind of help to hire the right people.

The Parcels model works, it is a proven quantity. But he did not have to wait and do it this way. He could of hired help and constructed a process that includes football minds to help him hire.

Huizenga has been a mess in this until now.
 
raving said:
Huizenga does not know football. When he blundered with Wanstadt, which was a knowable mistake (Chicago fans HATED the guy, probably still do) he needed to declare that he did not know anything about football and should never make another football decision again.

He refused to come to terms with the fact that he could own the team and get the right kind of help to hire the right people.

The Parcels model works, it is a proven quantity. But he did not have to wait and do it this way. He could of hired help and constructed a process that includes football minds to help him hire.

Huizenga has been a mess in this until now.
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What owner knows anything about football? Once upon a time Al Davis knew a lot, not anymore. Nearly every owner in the NFL has been viciously savaged at one point, or another. Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Dan Snyder have all been ridiculed for their hands-on approach. Huizenga and the Ford family are ridiculed for their hands-off approach. Owners like Bill Bidwell, Bud Adams, Irsays, Mike Brown, Ralph Wilson, Tom Benson, etc, have been called everything from used car salesmen to cheapskates. Do Paul Allen and Bob Kraft know anything about football, or did they just get lucky with the two hires they made?

No one thought Jimmy Johnson was anything but an excellent hire. Peter King called the guy the greatest coach since he'd been alive, that's the sort of hyperbole that followed JJ after his success with the Hurricanes, and then the Cowboys. Huizenga could not foresee that Johnson's mother would die, and his passion for the game would just leave him. Huizenga went wrong when he talked Johnson out of quitting after his third-year, then he compounded the mistake by bringing in Wannstadt, a guy that had a proven track record of incompetence, and giving him the keys to the store. He put Wannstadt and Spielman in a position where in order to save their own jobs, they'd make deals that would compromise the long-term position of the franchise. Giving up a third-round for Lamar Gordon is one example.

Then Huizenga sat on the tarmac in his jet at Baton Rouge, waiting for Nick Saban to make a decision. Never a good sign when you have to talk a guy into doing something. Cam Cameron was just bad luck. There is no way to tell if a successful coordinator is going to be a successful head coach. The league is littered with guys that everyone thought were destined to be great head coaches, and couldn't do it. Cameron was obviously a disaster, but ultimately, Huizenga has to trust someone. Who is to say Parcells was a good hire? No one thought Belichick was a good hire in New England after his previous stint with the Browns. The same goes for Marv Levy in Buffalo, he flopped in his previous job as HC of the Chiefs. Jerry Jones got the right guy at the right time in Jimmy Johnson, but without that beginner's luck, he hasn't won a playoff game since. Look at Pat Bowlen in Denver, or Jerry Richardson in Carolina, they looked like model owners when they first acquired their franchises, now not so much.
 
What kind of owner is Wayne Huizenga? Most of you will say that he is a good owner. While a few of us think differently. I would like to give you my reasons without any personal attacks on him, if I may.

First let’s state the reasons that most say are why he is a good owner. He spends what ever is necessary to do the job. Wayne is a hands off owner. He loves the Dolphins and wants them to be a winner which makes him a fan just like us. Do these traits make him a good owner you may think so, I don’t.

Spending without accountability is foolish; also you must not forget it is our money he is spending to make himself richer. He is a hands off owner, well let me ask you this just where will we go with no Skipper at the helm? Is he so hands off that he allowed Nick Saban abuse employees, as was reported, while standing there and saying nothing? Is he so hands off that he hired Bill Parcells to fire Cam Cameron rather than do it himself? Is he so hands off that he begged and pleaded with JJ to stay another year rather than admit that it’s always a bad decision to keep someone on whose heart isn’t in the work he is doing?

We are going into our 13th year under this ownership; he became full owner in 1995. He became a minor owner in 1991 under Joe Robbie so he had 4 years to learn about running a football team. If he was going to be a good owner he would have taken that time to learn what it takes to be good. Did he, I don’t know, but it appears not because of the way he is running it. Let me count the ways: Six head coaches in 13 years, 4 times he’s gone from no GM to a GM to no GM again and now we are back to a GM (maybe). From no VP of FB Operations in 95 to naming one in 04 (who lasted for 3 weeks and left because he couldn’t fire Whiny?) to hiring Bill in 07 to pull all of his chestnuts out of the fire. He has gone from being rated #2 by Forbes in 95 to #15 by Forbes in 07. Yet he has taken the business side and gone from being worth 168 Million in 95 to 1.2 Billion in 07. If he could and did do that on the business side why could he not do the same on the Football side? Do you really expect me to believe that he, of all people, didn’t know that we have needed a QB since before Dan Marino left the team? He is the boss he has been sitting there in his box while the stadium had less and less people show up. I have to think he might read a newspaper once in awhile and even the least of us want to see a star or two on our team; if not more.

Look I think he cares, I saw him cry on TV too, and I have no grounds to say he is a bad person; I don’t even know the man. That doesn’t alter the fact that he hasn’t made what he took over better, from my view, only the window dressings look better. The product still smells and in four years or less we will again go thru this with new ownership. I truly hope who ever they/he is will lead us out of this asylum. Until then maybe Bill will give us some good mojo and we get somewhat better.

Somebody has to be the leader and poop rolls down hill but to give Wayne a pass is just wrong
 
Saban was not a bad hire its just that he left us in the cold.
 
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