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I'm sure most of you are have been wondering, why is Wake not on the field more often? He was a terror against the Bills, granted it was the Bills, but still...

Is it possible, maybe just wishful thinking on my part, that the Dolphins are keeping him under wraps and are waiting to unleash him this week against the Patriots? I hope so. To me, this wouldn't make sense because you want your best people on the field, but one has to wonder why he's not out there more often.

Thoughts?
 
Well Wake is not a complete LB. He is a liability in coverage and stopping the run..He is now learning how to be a LB in this league because all he knew was using his speed to get to the QB....
If he is not on the field, there is a reason for it...
 
well he has been on the field... hes gotten playing time every game since the Bills... you might not notice because he hasn't done anything for us since... but hes playing
 
Because he does not cover . Let say brady starts in the standard package of 3 WR/1 TE/1 RB.

Now he sees that a safety is on ben watson and wake is ready to pass rush. brady will split the RB forcing the coverage to move 1 person left moving wake on ben watson.DO you think wake can handle that.

Brady uses this alot when non nickle is on the field against his base package.hence he has run 43 plays in no back set avg 6.8 yds/play. both leading NFL stats.
 
Similar to a more talented RB that can't pick up the blitz . . . a team would rather keep the more experienced guys in.

No question Wake is going to be a beast tho . . . but in the 3-4, you have to be able to cover and he is below most of the guys at OLB on this team in that regard.
 
Well Wake is not a complete LB. He is a liability in coverage and stopping the run..He is now learning how to be a LB in this league because all he knew was using his speed to get to the QB....
If he is not on the field, there is a reason for it...

And Porter is not? Put Wake in and let Peezy rest his gimp leg/body whatever it is that doesn't allow him to get off a block.
 
I agree all of our lbs are liabilities in coverage, thats why bell and wilson constantly are getting beat with one one with the te, ive been saying it all year we dont have a line backer who can run with the tight end, i actually thought our former 4-3 outside backers could do the job Crowder, Akin, Torbor, atleast Roth jacks the hell up out of any TE and by the time they get into there route Peezy was swooping in last year! WE ARE DEEP ALONG THE FRONT SEVEN EVEN MOSS AND ANDERSON ARE GOOD BUT ON NICKEL I WOULD GO WAKE, ROTH JT AND PEEZY AS THE FRONT FOUR IN LONG YARDS 9 OR MORE BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CARE FUL WITH THE QUICK TRAP THAT EMMIT SMITH USED TO RUN ON 3 AND 7
 
This is the NFL you are speaking of, teams don't "wait to unleash" players. He is not some kind of secret. He is not some sort of cyborg nobody knows about. All 32 teams want to win all the time, they won't wait to win.
 
well he has been on the field... hes gotten playing time every game since the Bills... you might not notice because he hasn't done anything for us since... but hes playing

Wakes defensive snap counts

Buffalo game...25 defensive snaps
Jets game...8 defensive snaps
NO game...2 defensive snaps
Jets GAME #2...1 DEFENSIVE SNAP

3GAMES AND ONLY 11 DEFENSIVE SNAPS IS HARDLY
GIVING A PLAYER A CHANCE AT ANYTHING

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_team.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=17&stats=&gameid=
 
This is the NFL you are speaking of, teams don't "wait to unleash" players. He is not some kind of secret. He is not some sort of cyborg nobody knows about. All 32 teams want to win all the time, they won't wait to win.

Brilliant. Kudos to you, sir.
 
It's simple. We have JP and JT on the team. He won't see much playing time at all until one of those two goes down. To be honest, I don't even think it would matter if Wake looked better than either of them in practice. They are the big names...and they will get played first...or have a huge fiasco going on.

In the game where he got all the playing time, JP was hurt.

Now with Roth back, some people will also want him in there first also...
 
He has only had about 10 meaningful defensive snaps since the Buffalo game (one of the 11 snaps was a spike/clock play). And yeah, that confuses me too.

Why is he not on the field? He is what he is, a situational pass rusher. The problem with that is the Dolphins have Jason Taylor and Joey Porter, two of the most productive sackers in NFL history, and it takes some mighty big stones to take those guys off the field in obvious passing situations. That's the bottom line.

But that's going to have to start happening more because probably our best pass rush game happened when we had Jason Taylor playing his more natural spot at ROLB and Cameron Wake rushing from the left side. Eventually you have to swallow your pride, forget about history, look at what is happening in the present, and make the right call.

Since he's only had 10 meaningful snaps, 7 of them against Damien Woody, it's easy to actually look at how he did on those snaps.

What I can tell you is he beat Woody clean on 2 of those 7 snaps, and he beat Jon Stinchcomb clean on the only play he played against Jon one-on-one.

Woody gave Wake's speed rush heavy respect and in the first game Wake went up on him 6 times. Damien did a great job getting back and absorbing Cameron's speed, washing him out for the most part. The one play where Cameron had success on him, he took Woody back about 7-8 yards, read Damien's leverage, and then cut across his face. Unfortunately for Cam, Brandon Moore was keeping an eye on him for the double team and when he crossed Woody's face, Moore came in and stoned him. But it was the one play out of the six that Cam had success against Damien Woody so I find it interesting that in his ONE snap against the Jets in the second game, what did he do? Same thing. Brought him back 7-8 yards, read his leverage and crossed his face, this time using a spin move. No double team this time though, he had a clean path to the QB, it was 3rd & 15 and Sanchez dumped the ball early on a crossing route well shy of the first down marker.

On the other hand, Jon Stinchcomb seemed to be unprepared for Wake's speed. When Wake came in the game on a 3rd & 5, Stinchcomb couldn't get back far enough and Cam beat him around the corner, forcing Drew Brees to step up into the pocket to where the 6'7" Tony McDaniel could dominate the passing lanes and Brees got a ball batted away at the line by Tony. The announcers wisely pointed out that Wake's pressure forcing Brees to move up in the pocket is what got that ball batted away.

This is why I don't agree with the reluctance to put Wake on the field. He didn't JUST beat Kirk Chambers of Buffalo. He's beaten Jon Stinchcomb and Damien Woody too. He also beat Tony Pashos and Tra Thomas in the preseason. The guy can beat NFL talent. Joey Porter is not getting the job done.
 
Maybe he just isn't very good.. And his 1 game was against the bills number 4 OT. They aren't "saving" anyone or anything. They can't afford even 2 more losses and must put their best players out every week no matter the opposition because this team doesn't havethe talent to take anyone lightly so stop all the "they are hiding wake" or "this is the week of the whitecat" they aren't playing because they aren't good enough. .
 
He has only had about 10 meaningful defensive snaps since the Buffalo game (one of the 11 snaps was a spike/clock play). And yeah, that confuses me too.

Why is he not on the field? He is what he is, a situational pass rusher. The problem with that is the Dolphins have Jason Taylor and Joey Porter, two of the most productive sackers in NFL history, and it takes some mighty big stones to take those guys off the field in obvious passing situations. That's the bottom line.

But that's going to have to start happening more because probably our best pass rush game happened when we had Jason Taylor playing his more natural spot at ROLB and Cameron Wake rushing from the left side. Eventually you have to swallow your pride, forget about history, look at what is happening in the present, and make the right call.

Since he's only had 10 meaningful snaps, 7 of them against Damien Woody, it's easy to actually look at how he did on those snaps.

What I can tell you is he beat Woody clean on 2 of those 7 snaps, and he beat Jon Stinchcomb clean on the only play he played against Jon one-on-one.

Woody gave Wake's speed rush heavy respect and in the first game Wake went up on him 6 times. Damien did a great job getting back and absorbing Cameron's speed, washing him out for the most part. The one play where Cameron had success on him, he took Woody back about 7-8 yards, read Damien's leverage, and then cut across his face. Unfortunately for Cam, Brandon Moore was keeping an eye on him for the double team and when he crossed Woody's face, Moore came in and stoned him. But it was the one play out of the six that Cam had success against Damien Woody so I find it interesting that in his ONE snap against the Jets in the second game, what did he do? Same thing. Brought him back 7-8 yards, read his leverage and crossed his face, this time using a spin move. No double team this time though, he had a clean path to the QB, it was 3rd & 15 and Sanchez dumped the ball early on a crossing route well shy of the first down marker.

On the other hand, Jon Stinchcomb seemed to be unprepared for Wake's speed. When Wake came in the game on a 3rd & 5, Stinchcomb couldn't get back far enough and Cam beat him around the corner, forcing Drew Brees to step up into the pocket to where the 6'7" Tony McDaniel could dominate the passing lanes and Brees got a ball batted away at the line by Tony. The announcers wisely pointed out that Wake's pressure forcing Brees to move up in the pocket is what got that ball batted away.

This is why I don't agree with the reluctance to put Wake on the field. He didn't JUST beat Kirk Chambers of Buffalo. He's beaten Jon Stinchcomb and Damien Woody too. He also beat Tony Pashos and Tra Thomas in the preseason. The guy can beat NFL talent. Joey Porter is not getting the job done.

Amen! Porter should move inside on nickel plays, he can cover better than Akin or Torbor.
 
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