Wallace & Big Ben Going Deep

[So Be]

Tannehill and Wallace are 3 of 17 for 129 yards and 0 TD's going deep. and RT is getting most of the blame. How did he do with Big Ben?

Last year, Ben was 11 of 47 going deep, and connected with Wallace on 6 of 31 for 263 yards and 4 TD's.

In 2011, Ben was 24 of 75, and connected with Wallace on 10 of 27 fr 478 yards and 5 TD's.

We all know how good Ben is in throwing deep but, this year RT is 9 0f 34, and connected with Wallace on 3 of 17 for 129 yards. That's better than Ben for completion %, and about the same in going to Wallace, who averaged over 40 yds per catch with both BUT 0 TD's with us so far. Ben had years to click, and RT has had 10 games, and no preseason.

RT's 20 of 51 last year is also better than Ben's %'s the last two seasons. Go figure.

We will see if things get better in the next 6 games and/or maybe expect next year to be similar to Wallace's 2011.

 

[MiZFiT]

Maybe so, but beyond the stats, Ryan has missed two WIDE open deep passes to Wallace in recent weeks. Both would have been 6.

Time may help but this is definitely something he needs to improve on and Im confident he will.

What did he struggle most with last season? Accuracy and decision making. He improved both areas over the off-season.

Thats why I am 100% confident this will work its way out by this time next season.

 

[So Be]

Maybe so, but beyond the stats, Ryan has missed two WIDE open deep passes to Wallace in recent weeks. Both would have been 6.

Time may help but this is definitely something he needs to improve on and Im confident he will.

What did he struggle most with last season? Accuracy and decision making. He improved both areas over the off-season.

Thats why I am 100% confident this will work its way out by this time next season.

Agreed. You also have HOF WR's in Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, and many others saying that it takes a full year for a QB and WR to click.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Maybe so, but beyond the stats, Ryan has missed two WIDE open deep passes to Wallace in recent weeks. Both would have been 6.

Time may help but this is definitely something he needs to improve on and Im confident he will.

What did he struggle most with last season? Accuracy and decision making. He improved both areas over the off-season.

Thats why I am 100% confident this will work its way out by this time next season.

To be fair, it's on both of them. Go back and watch Wallace in Pittsburgh, he absolutely came down with some of those 'underthrown' balls where he adjusted to the play and came up with it. He has not done that in Miami. Both players are definitely at fault here.

I'm also intrigued by something that Leroy Hoard and CK have brought up, which is that the timing of the plays in particular is a huge problem. CK posted here and Leroy said on the radio that on that particular deep ball everyone is talking about, the timing of the play design was so bad that it basically had no shot to be completed if Wallace burned his man from the snap because in order to throw the ball that far, it needs more air under it, and thus more time in flight.

 

[So Be]

To be fair, it's on both of them. Go back and watch Wallace in Pittsburgh, he absolutely came down with some of those 'underthrown' balls where he adjusted to the play and came up with it. He has not done that in Miami. Both players are definitely at fault here.

I'm also intrigued by something that Leroy Hoard and CK have brought up, which is that the timing of the plays in particular is a huge problem. CK posted here and Leroy said on the radio that on that particular deep ball everyone is talking about, the timing of the play design was so bad that it basically had no shot to be completed if Wallace burned his man from the snap because in order to throw the ball that far, it needs more air under it, and thus more time in flight.

Funny, a friend showed a clip of Ben throwing to Wallace which was very similar to the one on Sunday but when he stopped and the ball hit him he caught it, missed tackle, and a long TD.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Here's just one dumb highlight video:

[video=youtube;nZi0Vnx15AU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZi0Vnx15AU[/video]

Notice that on several of these, he adjusts to the football and finishes the play, even with defenders on him. It's fair to blame all parties involved.

 

[jfleag61]

Wait.....I know what the problem is. Tanny is wearing Wallaces' number.... they need to just swap digits , problem solved!

 

[mrbunglez]

Thread title sounds like a porn movie........ And the only reason I came in here.

I feel cheated.

 

[kwask4]

Looks like Wallace played harder w steelers

 

[NCFINFAN13]

While I've been saying it's all of the above as far as blame ... one thing that sticks out to me is, Rapistberger's underthrown balls are considerably less underthrown than Tanneys'.

 

[So Be]

Deep pass action to Wallace this season:

15 Total Deep Passes. These honestly should not be held against either Tannehill or Wallace as they were low percentage passes or had external factors involved (PI, hits, etc...)

- 2 Hail Mary Passes
- 2 Holding/Pass Interference Penalties
- 1 Arm Hit as Threw


Leaves us with 10 honest Deep passes to grade:

+1 Catch for 34 Yards in Colts game
+1 Catch for 49 Yards in Ravens game
+1 Catch for 46 Yards in Bills game

-1 Catchable but Caught out of bounds in the Bucs game.
-1 Catchable drop against the Saints
-1 55 yard overthrow against the Browns
-1 45 yard underthrow against the Ravens
-1 Bad decision against the Browns trying to force the ball to Wallace.
-1 Bad decision against the Patriots trying to force the ball to Wallace.
-1 Catchable but poorly designed/timed against the Chargers.

By this tally, you have 10 deep balls whose accuracy is easily gradable, and 5 of them were perfectly catchable. This is a small sample to gauge from with a lot of external factors affecting the plays resulting in low percentages in the sample pool. Wallace's body language and surly answers aren't helping, neither is the under use of Wallace, who can contribute much more than he has, but the coaching staff is unable to figure it out, ala Bush.

The Chargers throw was an issue of poor play design rather than Tannehill not throwing far enough. Throwing the ball 51 yards from where Tannehill set up to where Wallace was should have resulted in a completion if the timing hadn't been off with the ridiculous play design of shotgun snap, then a play fake, an additional 3 step drop, a hitch, then the 51 yard throw...

This is a VG post from Cuch over at the Phinatics.com forum. I think he has 15 passes because 2 were from Sunday.

 

[Canadi-Phin]

The first two passes in that highlight reel are what I've been asking for all season. That long drag opposite corner route, hard to do with a bad oline and WR Screens. Jesus just threatened them and let him take off. One quick pump fake and have him start. He gets to top speed faster than anyone and drop the pass in over top. Done.

 

[ciscoholgate]

Big Ben and Wallace connected a lot of busted plays. Plays where Ben bough time and found Wallace for big plays.

Tannehill doesn't do that, yet.

 

[spiketex]

The video showed all of the successful deep passes but it looked to me like Big Ben throws a better deep ball than Tannehill. Roethlisberger's throws appeared to be very tight, whereas the Tannehill ball that was underthrown was fluttering like a shot duck. I am Ryan's biggest fan and he has clearly improved in many areas this year, but the deep passes appear to need significant improvement. As someone else noted, if he consistently underthrows, then maybe he should try to overthrow. Wallace has special speed, let's see him use it.
Mike Sherman - please take the Porsche out of the garage.

 

[ckparrothead]

Deep pass action to Wallace this season:

15 Total Deep Passes. These honestly should not be held against either Tannehill or Wallace as they were low percentage passes or had external factors involved (PI, hits, etc...)

- 2 Hail Mary Passes
- 2 Holding/Pass Interference Penalties
- 1 Arm Hit as Threw


Leaves us with 10 honest Deep passes to grade:

+1 Catch for 34 Yards in Colts game
+1 Catch for 49 Yards in Ravens game
+1 Catch for 46 Yards in Bills game

-1 Catchable but Caught out of bounds in the Bucs game.
-1 Catchable drop against the Saints
-1 55 yard overthrow against the Browns
-1 45 yard underthrow against the Ravens
-1 Bad decision against the Browns trying to force the ball to Wallace.
-1 Bad decision against the Patriots trying to force the ball to Wallace.
-1 Catchable but poorly designed/timed against the Chargers.

By this tally, you have 10 deep balls whose accuracy is easily gradable, and 5 of them were perfectly catchable. This is a small sample to gauge from with a lot of external factors affecting the plays resulting in low percentages in the sample pool. Wallace's body language and surly answers aren't helping, neither is the under use of Wallace, who can contribute much more than he has, but the coaching staff is unable to figure it out, ala Bush.

The Chargers throw was an issue of poor play design rather than Tannehill not throwing far enough. Throwing the ball 51 yards from where Tannehill set up to where Wallace was should have resulted in a completion if the timing hadn't been off with the ridiculous play design of shotgun snap, then a play fake, an additional 3 step drop, a hitch, then the 51 yard throw...

This is a VG post from Cuch over at the Phinatics.com forum. I think he has 15 passes because 2 were from Sunday.

He ripped it off a post I made at ThePhins.com