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From the Miami Herald Sunday 7/22:

FLORIDA SPORTS BUZZ

Was QB Green's drop-off last year just temporary?

By BARRY JACKSON

bjackson@MiamiHerald.com

With Dolphins camp opening this week, one question continues to tower over all others: Which Trent Green are the Fins getting?
The one who had 94 touchdown passes and 52 interceptions between 2002 and 2005? Or the one who had seven TDs and nine INTs last season, when he missed eight games after a concussion in the opener? Green, 37, insists his injury ''obviously had a lot to do with'' his drop-off, and notes he had to learn a new Chiefs offense when he returned.
During the preseason, here are some things to monitor that will be telling signs:
• Medium-range passing: This is where Green had the biggest decline last year, according to numbers relayed by espn.com NFL stats guru KC Joyner. Of his passes thrown between 11 and 19 yards in 2006, just 47.2 percent had a positive result (a catch or defensive pass interference) -- ranking 32nd in the NFL and down from 63.9 percent in 2005. Also, five of 53 passes from that distance were intercepted, compared with five of 130 in 2005.
Cam Cameron liked running 12- to 15-yard out patterns in San Diego (among other routes in that range), so medium-range accuracy is essential.
• Quick decisions: Former Browns scout Matt Williamson, who evaluates players for espn.com, said, ''When Green came back last year, he didn't process information quite as quickly as he used to -- which was a strength before.'' With his concussion well behind him, the Dolphins aren't worried. ''But his offensive line will be suspect,'' Williamson said. ``Now he's a slightly below-average starter. I don't think he has a lot left.''
• Deep balls: With Miami eager to stretch the field, it would be a huge help if Green can approach his '05 numbers, when he completed 44.4 percent of passes thrown 20 yards or more (fifth-best in the league), with 808 yards. Last year, he slipped to 38.1 percent and would have had only 400 deep passing yards projected over 16 games.
''I don't know how strong his arm ever was,'' Hall of Fame quarterback and Chiefs radio analyst Len Dawson said. ``It's adequate. He needs help. He's not going to create plays with his legs. He might have lost something, but he didn't have the same line last year.''
FYI: ESPN's Ron Jaworski asserts, ``If Trent is healthy -- and I believe he is -- he's as solid and consistent a quarterback as you'll find in this league. He can give you two or three years.''

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At 37 years old, I think that Green's "drop off" from last year could be permanent. In 2002, Vinnie T, who'd been a quality starter at QB the year before, just lost it early in the season, opening the door for the Jets to give Chad Pennington a shot. Unfortunately, neither Cleo Lemon nor John Beck looks like a 2002 model Chad Pennington, so if Green's drop off is permanent, then the Fins are in deep doo-doo.
 
he's an improvement.... regardless..... john Beck may also be one from day 1. Even Cleo could finally get a ligitimate shot. He's no bum either.

As for us being in "deep doo-doo" if Green isnt the same..... where do you think we've been in regards to our Qb situation...?? And saying that Beck is no comparison to a young Chad is seriously under-rating Beck.... wait and see.

BTW- I can't wait to frame my first picture of Ronnie Brown flattening Paulie Poz and maybe Lynch getting stuffed behind the line.... only a few months left !! I like the dolphin-friendly approach the bills are taking to their Defense.
 
He won't be the 4,000 yard passer he had been in K.C. for most of his career, but assuming he doesn't suffer another concussion or injury, he should produce a lot better than he did last year.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to throw for close to 3,000 yards and a decent number of TDs. I am a little leery about handing the offense to a 37 yeard old QB coming off of injury, but I think this is a much safer bet than Culpepper was last year. Green has always been a very smart QB who makes good decisons with the ball, I don't see the concussion affecting that too much.
 
At 37 years old, I think that Green's "drop off" from last year could be permanent. In 2002, Vinnie T, who'd been a quality starter at QB the year before, just lost it early in the season, opening the door for the Jets to give Chad Pennington a shot. Unfortunately, neither Cleo Lemon nor John Beck looks like a 2002 model Chad Pennington, so if Green's drop off is permanent, then the Fins are in deep doo-doo.

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At 37 years old, I think that Green's "drop off" from last year could be permanent. In 2002, Vinnie T, who'd been a quality starter at QB the year before, just lost it early in the season, opening the door for the Jets to give Chad Pennington a shot. Unfortunately, neither Cleo Lemon nor John Beck looks like a 2002 model Chad Pennington, so if Green's drop off is permanent, then the Fins are in deep doo-doo.

Yeah, thank God Beck doesn't look like Pennington. He's got a much better arm. Maybe we should at least wait until pre season before you make that kind of a negative statement.
 
Yeah, thank God Beck doesn't look like Pennington. He's got a much better arm. Maybe we should at least wait until pre season before you make that kind of a negative statement.

WHAT???? If beck turns out to be anywhere near as good as Chad you'll do cartwheels. Please don't inuslt Chad and inult football fans intelligence by saying you think beck will be better than Chad.
 
WHAT???? If beck turns out to be anywhere near as good as Chad you'll do cartwheels. Please don't inuslt Chad and inult football fans intelligence by saying you think beck will be better than Chad.

I agree.
 
WHAT???? If beck turns out to be anywhere near as good as Chad you'll do cartwheels. Please don't inuslt Chad and inult football fans intelligence by saying you think beck will be better than Chad.

mornin' junky... I think there is a good chance Beck does have a stronger arm, it is yet to be seen if it is as effective. What "I" hope is that Beck's devotion to study will give him the quick accurate read that Chad has. Ya know, I hate the jets with ALL my football fibre, but I would have been happy at any time to have Chad a fin.
 
this "drop off" aka age, green is 37 he is not going to be as good as he was when he was younger, he think he can do well here though no matter what his age, but if he cannot ....thats why we needed to get quinn(just a side note) lets hope green leads us far!

Cam, Mueller and Shea doesn't agree with you because there was a reason they didn't draft him at #9.
 
WHAT???? If beck turns out to be anywhere near as good as Chad you'll do cartwheels. Please don't inuslt Chad and inult football fans intelligence by saying you think beck will be better than Chad.

I'm going to do just that: I think that Beck will be better than Chad. Happy? No disrespect intended towards Pennington, I'm still amazed at how efficient he can be with a bum shoulder and weak throwing arm slinging passes that should be timed with a sundial. This is all blah blah blah nonsense until we see Beck on a pro field, anyway.

What's next, my Daddy can beat up your Daddy? There are better things to do on a Sunday afternoon.
 
this "drop off" aka age, green is 37 he is not going to be as good as he was when he was younger, he think he can do well here though no matter what his age, but if he cannot ....thats why we needed to get quinn(just a side note) lets hope green leads us far!

ok... enough of the quinn prattle... no other team in the nfl had a better look at him than "us" It was OUR coach that prepped him for the combine, it was our team that worked him out and spoke to him more than once, our Head Coach is a qb guru... with ALL that information... more than any other team, we passed on him and chose John Beck.
 
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