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Was the Tuna in FULL control while he was here???

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Was the Tuna in FULL control while he was here? Here's a small quote from Ireland in his closing 2012 draft PC.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/04/ireland-shred-bogus-jake-long-report-other-stuff.html#storylink=cpy

Like you said, my second time to be fully control of the draft. It’s extremely important for me.
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This combined with Parcells taking the blame for drafting Pat White and the fact ever since the Tuna left the Dolphins have been drafting totally different types of players, it's clear to me the Tuna was in FULL control of this franchise while he was here.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2011/04/25/former-dolphins-boss-bill-parcells-explains-jake-long-over-matt-ryan-decision-takes-blame-for-pat-white/

White “was my mistake,” Parcells said. “It was a deviation from your principles; he was not prototypical. At the time, we’re thinking we could expand the Wildcat, you know. But it turns out he wasn’t accurate enough and didn’t throw it well enough. We learned from that.”
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I bring this up, because for me Ireland should only be judged on the past TWO draft classes. Yes this means he gets none or very little credit for drafting Jake Long and etc. For all we know he wouldn't have taken Jake with that pick.
 
I'm starting to think it was his way or no way. IMO, he set this organization back several years. I am starting to feel more comfortable with our front office, and think Ross is even getting it a little bit.
 
The Tuna thing still pisses me off. He essentially stole money from the Dolphins Org. and screwed over the fans. There is some justice though, his original plan was to create a football consulting group (unlike anything we see now), however from what I hear nobody will as much as talk to him now.
 
This will always be a debate especially by those who do not like Ireland who want to blame him for years of bringing in bad players either thru the draft or FA but NO player was ever signed in Miami without the nod from BP. This is Irelands second draft in full control and his first with Philbin and his staff and yesterday was a clear example that Ireland knows how to draft and get the players his staff can coach.
 
I think that Jeff, Tony and Bill all share responsibility for the disaster that this team was under their watch, but Parcells certainly deserves the lion's share of the blame. Both because he built the team for the single wing attack (including that Pat White pick), but also because he stuck us with a crappy coaching staff that didn't develop our talent and was so ****ing bad at game management that the coach didn't want to throw a hail mary with time expiring because he was afraid it could get run back for a TD.

Let's not absolve Ireland of blame. I happen to think he has been doing much better the last 2 years without the Tuna, but this is his shot at redemption, not some kind of magic proof that it was all the Tuna's fault.
 
I think it's very evident in player movement what were Ireland influenced movement and what were Parcells influenced. Add in Tony who, while a likeable enough guy, at the time just wasn't ready to become a head coach. Great motivator, but not good at x's and o's and was too afraid to take ANY risks.

As I've said all offseason, you can't have a winning formula unless all of the decision makers are on the same level. In hindsight I don't think the "Trifecta" was (and really, from stories of their time in Dallas, Ireland had to convince Parcells not to take certain players). I think Ireland and Philbin (and Ross to an extent) are on the same page.
 
Wait...I kept hearing how Philbin/Sherman have been in charge by deciding to only offer Flynn so much money and instead decided to draft Tannehill.

Now you are telling me it is Ireland that has full control? WTF...kind of kills a lot of people's philosophy as to who has been in charge of player personnel this entire off season.
 
Keep in mind too, it is Ireland's job to find players for the head coach's system; it's not just whoever Ireland wants to pick. So, guess who Sparano probably wanted first, overall?
 
How much do you want to bet that, even with this admission from Ireland (assuming it's true), Parcells' reputation doesn't take a hit at all and he'll still get hailed as the genius who resurrects franchises?

All in all, just par for the course under Huizenga's leadership-- the guy made ZERO good moves as owner of the team (aside from hiring Jimmy which wasn't a horrible move at the time, although it certainly wasn't a successful one). If you have to pin the blame on one person for the state of the current franchise, it's not Wanny, or Saban, or Cameron, or even Parcells-- it's the loser who hired them all and watched as the team went from perennial playoff team, to good but not good enough, to bad, to flaming disaster, to the current plateau of mediocrity since 2008. If there were a Dolphins' Ring of Dishonor, Huizenga should be the first inductee.
 
Of course he was in full control.

How are you guys just figuring this out? This is who Bill Parcells is, has been and always will be.

And this is why I never jumped on the "Fire Ireland" bandwagon.

People just needed a finger to point somewhere. They don't car where they point they just need to blame someone.

Ireland was a pawn. A puppet. A gopher. It's hard for me to believe that he did anything other that fetch Tuna's coffee and wipe his fat ass for him.

Ireland knows more than a lot of have given him credit for.
 
dabeastdabone said:
The Tuna thing still pisses me off. He essentially stole money from the Dolphins Org. and screwed over the fans. There is some justice though, his original plan was to create a football consulting group (unlike anything we see now), however from what I hear nobody will as much as talk to him now.
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Pretty much. He is a ****ing scumbag.
 
It is noted that they had their differences on a lot of picks. For instance Parcells wanted Long and Jeff wanted Ryan. I have always liked Jeff and this draft just shows others he knows talent and that he isn't holding the team back. Would all of you still go protest now?
 
Ricky4Life said:
It is noted that they had their differences on a lot of picks. For instance Parcells wanted Long and Jeff wanted Ryan. I have always liked Jeff and this draft just shows others he knows talent and that he isn't holding the team back. Would all of you still go protest now?
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Isn't most of that just hearsay? Again, I would love to pin all of the blame on Parcells, but what percentage of the bad signings were 100% on Bills over the protests of Ireland? Does anyone know? Can anyone ever know?

The only things that I will pin 100% blame on Parcells for are:

- Tony Sparano
- Dan Henning and building around the Wildcat (well documented that this was all Parcells' idea going back to his time at ESPN)
- Pat White (see: Wildcat)
- Being a thieving sack of crap


Let's not whitewash Ireland's record. He was the general manager during the Sparano years, and those were not good years for our football team. He seems to be doing much better on his own, but again, let's let him redeem himself rather than revise history and say he was a great GM for 4 years.
 
parcells had "final say" on all personnel matters until he left. that left ireland with no power until last year, because ultimately, whoever ireland wanted, had to get the yes or no from parcells before any action could be taken. as far as who advocated for which player, or who said no to which player, it is irrelevant because it eventually had to get the parcells' stamp of approval before it happened.
 
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