Care to give an example of that? Maybe you are referring to the post where I called Cousins's INTs "brutal." His whole game was terrible. No excuses there.
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Care to give an example of that? Maybe you are referring to the post where I called Cousins's INTs "brutal." His whole game was terrible. No excuses there.
I was generally happy with his first year given his lack of starting experience. In year two I wanted to see improvement and consistency. I got the former and certainly not the latter. In year three, I wanted him to take the next big step, developing that elusive consistency, better pocket awareness, the ability to hit the deep ball to Wallace, better decision-making, etc. Hell, I was counting on it with my 9-7 prediction as that's what I felt we could get to if he made those improvements. So far, it's not happening.
That being said, I want him in there all season and still hope that I can get the improvement I'm looking for. My optimism in that is waning. However, starting Moore serves no purpose. This team only makes the playoffs if we have a QB that can carry the team and make up for some of the other deficiencies. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize his play or look for excuses. I'm also not putting it all on him because the team has multiple problems, though it appears that way because the responses are in Tannehill-related threads (don't see why I should go into those threads and criticize the garbage tackling).
Fortunately, for those who want to give him 10 years to develop, they will likely get another year. I doubt we're in position for any replacements during the draft that are worth anything, so I only see us drafting someone to sit behind him or waiting 1 more year. Hopefully under a new Head Coach, though that will just be another excuse for some, same as it was for Henne, etc.
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So, we have to hold off all criticism until the end of the season? Sounds like a pretty boring message board.
phins_4_ever
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Do you realize that you are comparing a top 10 pick vs a 4th round draft pick? Is the ceiling that much moved that we expect a top 10 pick to develop slower or at the same pace like a 4th round pick.
We don't know what Cousins ceiling is. We don't know how good or bad he will be but he was also picked at #12,347 (or whatever that 4th round pick equates to). If Tannehill would have been picked in the 4th round I would be much more patient and my expectations would be much lower. But we made him a top 10 pick and declared him a franchise QB. With that pick the ceiling and the expectations went higher.
You have to put things in perspective. Maybe you have to realize that Tannehill may just be a serviceable QB with a low ceiling and the expectations of a 4th round pick. But then he should be treated like everybody else on that team and if he does not perform he will be benched.
Tannehill had a golden opportunity last year. He got us on the brink of the playoffs. But he failed in two games against to mediocre teams (one playing with a former practice squad QB). Sure we can blame everybody else for it. OL, WRs, defense, coaches, fans, stadium, weather. But in all of that I was missing one thing I always want to see in my franchise QB: the fire to change the game. The will to carry this team to the playoffs. The realization that this is his game of a life time up to this point.
And now here we are looking for excuses at every corner, every part of the team and comparing him, a top ten pick with 35 NFL games under his belt, to a 4th round draft pick who had just completed his 7th start in the NFL.
Since we are continously lowering the bar maybe we can compare him to another former top 10 pick: Ryan Leaf - at least Tannehill got him beat up to this point.
phins_4_ever
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I think that is the major point. Not the struggle in a new offense. But the regression is really disturbing.
No, he deserves to be criticized as he has not played well, but there is a point where it goes beyond criticism...
The same can be said for those who continue to shift blame away as well.
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Agreed.
I look at it as two different things.
"The struggle" - new line, new scheme, poor coaching
"The Regression" - Tannehills regression in accuracy, pocket awareness, release point on this throws, so on and so forth.
I choose to pick on the regression more than the struggle, and I realize that rubs people the wrong way.
phins_4_ever
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How can you expose a 4th round draft pick? He was picked as a backup in the first place. Do you really believe that after the Skins gave up the house to move to #2 to get their franchise QB that Cousins was picked with the same expectations?
Flynn was drafted in the 6th or 7th round. Do you really compare our #8 pick to them? Even an attempt to compare our top 10 pick with anybody in round 4 or lower is ridiculous. And it shows desperation. Both QBs were drafted with the expectations to back up franchise QBs. If you even attempt to compare Flynn and Cousins to Tannehill when it comes to expectations and potential you will lose every time because you just lowered Tannehills expectations to be a backup QB.
Pete Carroll actually paid Matt Flynn to be the starter and drafted Russell Wilson in the 3rd possibly as a low risk future and present backup. So using your scale, because Wilson's actually been a better QB than the #1 pick Luck, he should be valued more than 3X as good considering what he's accomplished vs Luck? Or Foles who's more or less accomplished as much as Luck being 3X better because of the expectations associated with his draft position? Or agenda or not, that valuation expectation shouldn't cut both ways?
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Actually, I think it's pretty retarded to compare the two. I wasn't the one comparing, I was asking questions on how one could compare after 1 game. Tannenballs was the one comparing.
For some reason you are looking to argue with me, when I'm not arguing with you. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I'll say it again...it's too soon to compare or say cousins is better than tannehill.
phins_4_ever
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I am, not sure if I get through that rambling about 3-times and 4-times and x-times.
Pete Caroll made Flynn the starter because he needed a starting QB. Flynn played in relieve for Aaron Rodgers pretty well. If Caroll thought that Flynn is a starting QB then that is up to him. Just as much as the Chiefs thought at one point that Matt Cassel would be their starting QB.
Drafting a young QB with certain potential is not a new invention. Neither is that a QB drafted in the lower rounds becomes a great QB, even a franchise QB is nothing new. And drafting a QB in the top 10 and he turns out to be a franchise QB is nothing new either.
The risk are much greater though when you draft a QB at such a high draft spot. And if you do you better make sure that he will be successful otherwise you can do a lot of damage to a franchise.
You don't value Wilson 3-times better than Luck just because he was drafted in round 3 rather than round 1. Is that where that 3-times comes from? 3x round 1 = round 3?
What you should be saying is that the Colts got what they drafted - a franchise QB and the Seahawks are either dam good talent evaluators or just lucky. Call it what you want it but both teams got what they wanted. The Colts gambled higher and won and the Seahawks put less on the table and won as well.
The only way you can evaluate a draft is by declaring: over-archived, up to expectations, just about right, below expectations, failure/bust
There is no 3 times or 4 times better or worse.
The scale of 3x and 4x is your scale. All I said is that it has come down to that the fans of the Miami Tannehills compare a top 10 pick with a 4th round and 7th round pick to make themselves feel better. From comparing Tannehill to Luck and Manning and Brees and even Dan Marino in year 1 to comparing him to the Cousins and the Flynns of the NFL. That is a huge step down and you can do that only if you agree that Tannehill was drafted way to high and he may not be a bonifide franchise QB.
phins_4_ever
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I may have stepped into that thread rather late and got to you at the tail end.
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I am, not sure if I get through that rambling about 3-times and 4-times and x-times.
Pete Caroll made Flynn the starter because he needed a starting QB. Flynn played in relieve for Aaron Rodgers pretty well. If Caroll thought that Flynn is a starting QB then that is up to him. Just as much as the Chiefs thought at one point that Matt Cassel would be their starting QB.
Drafting a young QB with certain potential is not a new invention. Neither is that a QB drafted in the lower rounds becomes a great QB, even a franchise QB is nothing new. And drafting a QB in the top 10 and he turns out to be a franchise QB is nothing new either.
The risk are much greater though when you draft a QB at such a high draft spot. And if you do you better make sure that he will be successful otherwise you can do a lot of damage to a franchise.
You don't value Wilson 3-times better than Luck just because he was drafted in round 3 rather than round 1. Is that where that 3-times comes from? 3x round 1 = round 3?
What you should be saying is that the Colts got what they drafted - a franchise QB and the Seahawks are either dam good talent evaluators or just lucky. Call it what you want it but both teams got what they wanted. The Colts gambled higher and won and the Seahawks put less on the table and won as well.
The only way you can evaluate a draft is by declaring: over-archived, up to expectations, just about right, below expectations, failure/bust
There is no 3 times or 4 times better or worse.
The scale of 3x and 4x is your scale. All I said is that it has come down to that the fans of the Miami Tannehills compare a top 10 pick with a 4th round and 7th round pick to make themselves feel better. From comparing Tannehill to Luck and Manning and Brees and even Dan Marino in year 1 to comparing him to the Cousins and the Flynns of the NFL. That is a huge step down and you can do that only if you agree that Tannehill was drafted way to high and he may not be a bonifide franchise QB.
Talk about your convoluted "rambling" LOL. Let me synthesize this: If you think that Tannehill at 8 should deliver much more than a 3rd or 4th round pick, because of less expectation, then using that logic, Wilson who's accomplished a lot more than Luck, and Foles, whose accomplishment were comparable, actually should be looked at as a much better bargain and value than spending the number 1 draft pick, and certain, even more so than RG3. Now you can argue that Wilson had a better supporting cast and you'd be right, but then again look what Tannehill had to work with and through last season.
Did he screw up game 16? Yes, but considering the beating we gave Brady a week before, Tom himself couldnt have beaten the Bills, and overcome the 7 sacks and injury experienced by Tannehill. To me, beating 4 playoff bound teams with a terrible and disruptive and personnel changing OL, one of the few red zone threats going down in TC, another mid season, a rookie kicker with the psycho yips, one legit corner and a schizzoid #26 rated running game, it's a wonder that he even over-achieved getting us into postseason contention in game 15. (Although an argument can also be made that considering the circumstances, perhaps we should have clinched before reaching Buffalo.
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Has Cousns had 35 games as a starter? Has Cousins had 5 bad games in a row? Does a Cousins led offense average more points than a Tannehill led offense?
I admit I pay no attention to the Washington Redskins but Cousins had one bad game here and Finheaven is killing him. Are these the same folks defending Tannehill after 5 bad games? Just curious.
That sound you heard was the point going over your head. Point is that the haters on this site (not necessarily you) will make all kinds of excuses for any QB not wearing a Dolphins uniform.