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The Packers selected Aaron Rodgers with Brett Favre still on the roster, and still playing well and taking them to the playoffs. Why wouldn't the Colts take Luck if they could? Plan for the future, something Miami didn't do in the late 90s. They'll make the cap room, and rookie contracts are not like they were anyway.
 
He *was* the consensus #1 overall pick for the 2007 draft, coming out at the same time you want Luck to come out. He was hyped as the next big thing, just as Luck has been.

By who? The idiots in the media? Like I said, late 2nd round pick. Scouts sure didn't see him as the next big thing, and ultimately, they're the only ones that matter. Either way, this Brian Brohm talk is ****ing ridiculous.
 
I would be all for trying to land Kellen Moore if there is a dominant defensive palyer coming out.
 
Brian Brohm.... we had many a debate about that kid didn't we hoops?


Listen, I don't buy into Andrew Luck because he's hyped, I buy into him because I've evaluated him with my own eyes for 3 years. I never buy into any of the gushing over prospects that pencil pushing sportswriters who've never been within 6 feet of a football in their life, bestow upon college prospects. I tend to formulate my own opinion based on my own groundwork.

I'm either right or I'm wrong... but the point is I have enough conviction one way or the other based off everything EXCEPT hype.


Luck is a tremendous FOOTBALL PLAYER, that just happens to be one of the best quarterback prospects I've ever seen in 40+ years of college football.... he's not overhyped simply because he's a quarterback that can't play FOOTBALL... like so many are.

Andrew Luck doesn't have the athletic ability of Cam Newton. He doesn't have the arm of Kyle Boller. He doesn't have the statistics of David Klingler.

The point is, the hype surrounding Luck is based mostly off the fact that he's so fundamentally sound, and understands the game of football. He knows how to play the game. He understands situational football... and the higher the pressure gets turned up, the better he gets.

His physical tools are somewhere in the above-average range, the same as guys like Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, and Aaron Rodger's were.

He's not an overhyped system quarterback with inflated stats like Tim Couch, Andre Ware, David Klingler, etc. He's not overhyped because of he's all arm, and subject to get overdrafted based solely on arm strength like Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, or Jeff George.

Nobody can guarantee any kid success coming out of college, but there's no denying the fact that Andrew Luck is close to "can't miss" as a quarterback prospect can possibly be. You just won't see guys like this very often... they come around once a decade or so.

If you've never taken the time to actually watch this guy play college football, I'd suggest taking the time out of a Saturday and catch one of his games. You should quickly be able to discern that this is an NFL quarterback playing college football.

Without getting into technical aspects of the QB position, just watch him and pay attention to the little things he does. Watch his body language... pay attention to the way he leads and directs his men on the battle field.... his maturity. Notice his tempo never changes, how smooth he goes through his progressions and never looks antsy. You'll see his instincts and natural feel for the game, and realize that it's something rare.

It's not a ridiculously high ceiling that makes Andrew Luck as special of a player as his is, it's the significantly high floor that makes him a rare quarterback prospect.

He's not perfect, but you'll rarely ever see a quarterback that's easier on the eyes than this kid. Nobody has seen it all quite like this since Peyton Manning was carving up SEC defenses in the mid 90's.


Guys like this are the one's that end up being destiny changers for stagnant franchises.
 
lets not tempt fate and try to land luck with a top five pick.

lets secure luck, with the top overall pick. we are 0-3 now. the best thing for this franchise right now is to lose enough games to have the first overall pick and a new regime next year.

we've been waiting a decade for relevance what the **** is another year? seriously
 
By who? The idiots in the media? Like I said, late 2nd round pick. Scouts sure didn't see him as the next big thing, and ultimately, they're the only ones that matter. Either way, this Brian Brohm talk is ****ing ridiculous.

If you're such an in-depth analyst of college football, you *should* remember the talk about him going #1 in 2007. That he ended up returning to school is irrelevant, he was a top prospect once upon a time.

And my point is exactly that. There are always top prospects. They're always going to change the world. Up until the point where, you know, they don't.

For all of the supposed knowledge about players coming into the NFL, why is the draft still a crapshoot? Why do teams still end up missing on their picks? Wasn't Belichick supposed to be a master evaluator of talent, what happened there? Oh, wait, it was Pioli. So what's going on in KC?

You can argue all you want about how Luck is such a different prospect, and I can simply remember all the times I've heard this song before. I got nothing against the kid, he might turn out awesome and the best player ever in the history of professional sports - but the key word is *might*. With no sure thing, I won't ever advocate trading your entire future for one shot. Particularly when people say "even if you miss, you have to keep trying". Well, how easy is it going to be to keep trying if you have no first rounders to work with? Are you just simply going to keep betting the future away in the hopes of striking it rich? Seems like a strategy to go straight into bankrupcy...
 
I'll pay attention to his play, but from what little highlights I've seen, he's not otherworldly. He's good. He's got great potential. He's still not worth giving up an entire class for.

Watch the game against UCLA this Saturday. Heck, watch all the Stanford games if you have the chance. Like TedSlimJr said, he's a pro QB playing in college. He's not like any other #1 on your normal year. Highlight reels on YouTube can always be decieving, since you can just make about any player look like a future Hall of Famer, provided you have enough film to work with.

There hasn't been a single Ireland draft which looks better than a shot at a Manning/Elway type prospect. Heck, there hasn't been one for as long as I can remember. Which draft of ours would you rather keep than have a shot at franchise player such as Luck?

Anyway, it will take much more than 1 class to get Luck.
 
Colts GM Bill Polian is not a stupid man, he's a very good and astute GM. He orchestrated and built those Buffalo teams that Marino could never beat when it mattered.

If Polian has the 1st pick in the draft Andrew Luck will be a Colt. Period.
 
If you're such an in-depth analyst of college football, you *should* remember the talk about him going #1 in 2007. That he ended up returning to school is irrelevant, he was a top prospect once upon a time.

And my point is exactly that. There are always top prospects. They're always going to change the world. Up until the point where, you know, they don't.

For all of the supposed knowledge about players coming into the NFL, why is the draft still a crapshoot? Why do teams still end up missing on their picks? Wasn't Belichick supposed to be a master evaluator of talent, what happened there? Oh, wait, it was Pioli. So what's going on in KC?

You can argue all you want about how Luck is such a different prospect, and I can simply remember all the times I've heard this song before. I got nothing against the kid, he might turn out awesome and the best player ever in the history of professional sports - but the key word is *might*. With no sure thing, I won't ever advocate trading your entire future for one shot. Particularly when people say "even if you miss, you have to keep trying". Well, how easy is it going to be to keep trying if you have no first rounders to work with? Are you just simply going to keep betting the future away in the hopes of striking it rich? Seems like a strategy to go straight into bankrupcy...


The draft is a crapshoot because it's still human beings you're talking about. Nobody can accurately predict with absolute certainty how someone is going to react to suddenly being equipped with more zeros in their paychecks than they have relatives who give a damn about them.

Free agency is a crapshoot. Guys bust in free agency all the time who have already proven themselves capable of being productive in the NFL.

It's not necessarily the talent of the prospect that tends to get misjudged as much as it is the character and/or work ethic of the prospect that tends to get either misjudged, or cast aside all together.


I've heard it all before too regarding these college kids, and high school kids.


I don't believe the hype about Luck... there have been more talented quarterback prospects than Luck just in the past 5 years.... However, I believe in this kid's ability to be the type of guy you lay everything on the line for, and build your franchise around.
 
If we end up a top 5 pick, I'm pretty confident there will still be good signal callers there. I know everyone is fixated on Luck, but that doesn't mean that every other Qb in the draft is worthless.

To be honest, my nightmare is that the next regime comes in and decides that Henne, who we know might not be the worst player on this team, is not in need of replacing while other areas are addressed. I don't doubt that it's possible the next regime can be incompetent too, seeing as pretty much every regime in Miami has been.
 
Brian Brohm.... we had many a debate about that kid didn't we hoops?


Listen, I don't buy into Andrew Luck because he's hyped, I buy into him because I've evaluated him with my own eyes for 3 years. I never buy into any of the gushing over prospects that pencil pushing sportswriters who've never been within 6 feet of a football in their life, bestow upon college prospects. I tend to formulate my own opinion based on my own groundwork.

I'm either right or I'm wrong... but the point is I have enough conviction one way or the other based off everything EXCEPT hype.


Luck is a tremendous FOOTBALL PLAYER, that just happens to be one of the best quarterback prospects I've ever seen in 40+ years of college football.... he's not overhyped simply because he's a quarterback that can't play FOOTBALL... like so many are.

Andrew Luck doesn't have the athletic ability of Cam Newton. He doesn't have the arm of Kyle Boller. He doesn't have the statistics of David Klingler.

The point is, the hype surrounding Luck is based mostly off the fact that he's so fundamentally sound, and understands the game of football. He knows how to play the game. He understands situational football... and the higher the pressure gets turned up, the better he gets.

His physical tools are somewhere in the above-average range, the same as guys like Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, and Aaron Rodger's were.

He's not an overhyped system quarterback with inflated stats like Tim Couch, Andre Ware, David Klingler, etc. He's not overhyped because of he's all arm, and subject to get overdrafted based solely on arm strength like Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, or Jeff George.

Nobody can guarantee any kid success coming out of college, but there's no denying the fact that Andrew Luck is close to "can't miss" as a quarterback prospect can possibly be. You just won't see guys like this very often... they come around once a decade or so.

If you've never taken the time to actually watch this guy play college football, I'd suggest taking the time out of a Saturday and catch one of his games. You should quickly be able to discern that this is an NFL quarterback playing college football.

Without getting into technical aspects of the QB position, just watch him and pay attention to the little things he does. Watch his body language... pay attention to the way he leads and directs his men on the battle field.... his maturity. Notice his tempo never changes, how smooth he goes through his progressions and never looks antsy. You'll see his instincts and natural feel for the game, and realize that it's something rare.

It's not a ridiculously high ceiling that makes Andrew Luck as special of a player as his is, it's the significantly high floor that makes him a rare quarterback prospect.

He's not perfect, but you'll rarely ever see a quarterback that's easier on the eyes than this kid. Nobody has seen it all quite like this since Peyton Manning was carving up SEC defenses in the mid 90's.


Guys like this are the one's that end up being destiny changers for stagnant franchises.
And the debate should end here. Nice analysis Slimm.
 
what makes any of you believe our FO would actually draft a skill position at #1 vs. trading out and settling for a diff. quarterback? If ANY of the current FO is in tack come april, I don't know if it will matter which pick we have. it will be Oline and Dline all day...and if they can trade down, they can get even more :(
 
after 13 years of Manning, the Colts better not get their greasy paws on Luck.

I will be very very angry at the NFL, the universe, the football gods, I don't know. Miami has gone 11 years with garbage QB's.
 
No, what it means is you don't give up an entire draft (or three number ones, for that matter) for something that isn't a lock. If you're there you draft him, if you're not you don't give up your entire short term future for him.

LMFAO.

You should have already hobbled off from this thread with your tail between your legs. If you don't follow college football, and you have no idea how good Luck is, you have nothing to say. Period.
 
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