We could still land luck with the 4th or 5th pick

[dtjp17]

First of all let me start off by saying that I'm not on the suck for luck campaign, I'm a diehard and love this team and want to see them win every game if possible, but things are looking bleak this season and I don't see us winning more than 5 games and we do have to start looking at the future, hey look I'm rooting for henne and I do believe he has improved, better pocket presence, scrambling, a little better leadership, but let's face it guys he will never be a franchise QB, he is not special and he had his chance again sunday to win a game in the 4th quarter and he blew it, it was all set up for him, all he needed was 15yrds and he could not get the job done, serviceable NFL QB? yes, franchise QB? no, he never will be.

So that leads me to Luck, i see a lot of members on here saying we wont have a shot at Luck because he will go #1, well not necessarily, minnesota, carolina, st. louis, seattle, colts, chiefs, bengals, and us will probably be picking in the top 8, so lets cross off the vikings, panthers, rams, and bengals as potential landing spots for luck because they all have their potential franchise QB's, vikings-ponder, bengals-dalton, rams-bradford, panthers-newton. So that would leave the colts, chiefs, seahawks, and us, the colts obvi have manning but with his neck issues and him getting older and if they do get the #1 pick this could be a perfect opportunity to get their QB of the future, but financially it would not make sense, I don't think they would want to pay Mannings salary and put a #1 pick on their books as well, so that leaves the chiefs, seahwaks, and the phins, I believe the chiefs are not comfortable with cassell and if they're sitting at #1 they will take him, the seahawks also need a QB and they would take him as well, so essentially we would be battling with the seahawks and cheifs to land luck, for sake of argument lets say the first 6 picks looked like this:

#1-Colts-Manning-salary tied up
#2-Rams-Bradford
#3-Vikings-Ponder
#4-Dolphins-draft luck
#5-Chiefs
#6-Seahwaks

So landing luck without the #1 overall pick is a lot more realistic than people think!

I can gaurentee you if the colts have the first pick he is in Indy sitting behind peyton for 2 years and being the next aaron rodgers for 10 years. The vikings would trade ponder and draft luck in a second thge only teams that wont draft him are the rams. I would be happy with Landry Jones also I love this guy.

 

[FinsBR]

LMFAO.

You should have already hobbled off from this thread with your tail between your legs. If you don't follow college football, and you have no idea how good Luck is, you have nothing to say. Period.

Still think the Colts should have drafted Ryan Leaf...

From wikipedia:
"The San Diego Chargers had the third pick of the draft, but traded two first round picks, a second round pick, and three time Pro Bowler Eric Metcalf to the Arizona Cardinals to move up one spot and guarantee that the team would get one of the two quarterbacks."

That worked out well... Is that what you want for us? If he is there, pick him, if he is not I don´t want them to, using dolphone´s words "give up our entire short term future" for a nice prospect...

 

[dolphone]

The draft is a crapshoot because it's still human beings you're talking about. Nobody can accurately predict with absolute certainty how someone is going to react to suddenly being equipped with more zeros in their paychecks than they have relatives who give a damn about them.

Free agency is a crapshoot. Guys bust in free agency all the time who have already proven themselves capable of being productive in the NFL.

It's not necessarily the talent of the prospect that tends to get misjudged as much as it is the character and/or work ethic of the prospect that tends to get either misjudged, or cast aside all together.


I've heard it all before too regarding these college kids, and high school kids.


I don't believe the hype about Luck... there have been more talented quarterback prospects than Luck just in the past 5 years.... However, I believe in this kid's ability to be the type of guy you lay everything on the line for, and build your franchise around.

I don't see how you reconcile the first two bolded with the third.

No one can predict *anything* in football with certainty. It's just theories and hopes and analysis that, at best, hit more than they miss. But you cannot be certain of anything, and that goes triple when you involve predicting people. It's not just the money. It's injuries, unability to grasp a particular playbook, tension in the lockeroom, a technique you thought you could teach but was never learned, etc. Players bust for a million reasons.

You seem to be certain *this* particular guy has the mark of destiny. Fine. Does he also come with an insurance for all the things above? If not, why risk the entire future of a franchise on ONE SINGLE GUY?

To turn things around: yes, the picks you trade might end up busting anyway. But by picking the players, at least you tried. And you had more chances to succeed.

Again, I'm not arguing against Luck. I'm arguing against betting everything on this one, absolute certainty that really isn't.

 

[beanh8er]

The draft is a crapshoot because it's still human beings you're talking about. Nobody can accurately predict with absolute certainty how someone is going to react to suddenly being equipped with more zeros in their paychecks than they have relatives who give a damn about them.

Free agency is a crapshoot. Guys bust in free agency all the time who have already proven themselves capable of being productive in the NFL.

It's not necessarily the talent of the prospect that tends to get misjudged as much as it is the character and/or work ethic of the prospect that tends to get either misjudged, or cast aside all together.


I've heard it all before too regarding these college kids, and high school kids.


I don't believe the hype about Luck... there have been more talented quarterback prospects than Luck just in the past 5 years.... However, I believe in this kid's ability to be the type of guy you lay everything on the line for, and build your franchise around.

By talent you mean physical ability (arm strength, speed), right? Not ability to play the QB position?

 

[13mademeafan13]

How has drafting and not trading up for the guy we wanted worked out for the last few years???? Do what it takes to get Luck if we do not have the #1 pick....POINTBLANK PERIOD.

 

[dolphone]

LMFAO.

You should have already hobbled off from this thread with your tail between your legs. If you don't follow college football, and you have no idea how good Luck is, you have nothing to say. Period.

Twelve pages later and you still don't get the argument.

Unlike you, though, I welcome you in the thread. I'm willing to make my point clear as many times as necessary for you and everyone else to understand. Please let me know any specific doubts you have about it.

 

[Kyndig]

No we can't Andrew Luck will go Number 1. With the new cba teams won't be as afraid to trade up and get him...

 

[hoops]

the only thing you're doing in this thread dolphone is wasting peoples time...miami of all people should be doing whatever it takes however it takes to be in position to land andrew luck...period

 

[dolphone]

the only thing you're doing in this thread dolphone is wasting peoples time...miami of all people should be doing whatever it takes however it takes to be in position to land andrew luck...period

I fail to see how I'm making them waste time any more than they already are.

Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't mean you get decide if its worthy or not. I don't presume to do so with your opinions, worthless as I may think they are.

 

[hoops]

I fail to see how I'm making them waste time any more than they already are.

Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't mean you get decide if its worthy or not. I don't presume to do so with your opinions, worthless as I may think they are.

thats pretty funny cause i'm not the guy on here trying to tell others what a players worth is without ever having seen him play the game...now am i

unreal...

 

[dolphone]

thats pretty funny cause i'm not the guy on here trying to tell others what a players worth is without ever having seen him play the game...now am i

unreal...

I *have* seen him play. Where did I say I haven't? I haven't watched him in detail. And the only reason I have seen him play is because he keeps getting mentioned.

I don't know what he's worth. He might be worth 1000 1st rounders. But - read this slowly please - We. Don't. Know.

Perhaps you're willing to risk twenty drafts for him. I'm not. You take that personally, be my guest. I see it as a stupid risk that isn't worth taking.

 

[phinfann13]

This was a fun thread

 

[finomenal]

 

[uk_dolfan]

wow this is quite the thing lol

 

[DisturbedShifty]

There should be a penalty for drudging up three year old threads.