jlfin said:
This team needs EVERYTHING, including a QB.
When you are building a team you start with the centerpiece, and that is a QB.
When Dallas hit rock bottom and JJ came in they drafted Aikman. When the Colts were stinking it up they drafted Manning. Ditto for Cincy with Palmer, the Texans with Carr and now the Cardianls with Leinart. That is the traditional way to rebuild and I am a traditionalist.
The Pats were fortunate with Brady,but that is the exception, not the rule.
How can you say this team does not need a QB? Are you suggesting that DC is guranteed to come back to his form of 2-3 yrs ago? That is extremetly optimistic and a HUGE gamble.
I actually feel bad for Huizenga because this garbage team is nearly at the cap limit, but they are playing like an expansion team.
We don't need to draft a QB next draft, especially not in the first round.
Starters from this season who weren't first round picks:
Oak: Aaron brooks and Andrew Walter
Tampa: Bruce Gradkowski and Chris Simms
GB: Brett Favre
NE: Tom Brady
Arizona: Kurt Warner (at the beginning of the season)
KC: Trent Green and Damon Huard
Car: Jake Delhomme
Seattle: Matt Hasselback
Minn: Brad Johnson
Cleveland: Charlie Frye
Pitt: Charlie Batch
Washington: Mark Brunell
Detroit: Jon Kitna
St Louis: Marc Bulger
Denver: Jake Plummer
Even throwing out Batch, that's 14 teams with starters whom were taken outside of the first round.
Let's even see how many teams have used starters this season that they didn't even draft:
Miami: Joey H and Daunte Culpepper
Ravens: Steve Mcnair
Broncos: Jake Plummer
Chiefs: Trent Green and Damon Huard
Steelers: Charlie Batch
Chargers: Phillip Rivers
Titans: Kerry Collins
Cardinals: Kurt Warner
Panthers: Jake Delhomme
Cowboys: Drew Bledsoe
Packers: Brett Favre
Vikings: Brad Johnson(not 1st stint on team)
Saints: Drew Brees
Giants: Eli Manning
Seahawks: Matt Hasselback
Redskins: Mark Brunell
Rams: Marc Bulger
That's 19 starters on 17 teams that didn't draft them.
Let's even look at super bowl QB's over the past 6 seasons or so:
XL: Pit- Ben Roethlisberger(1st round) vs Sea-Matt hasselback(not team that drafted him, not a 1st round pick)
XXXIX: NE- Tom Brady(6th round pick) vs Phi- Donovan Mcnabb(1st round)
XXXVIII: NE- Tom Brady(6th round) vs. Car- Jake Delhomme(not on team that drafted him, undrafted for that matter)
XXXVII: Oak- Rich Gannon(4th rd pick, no on team that drafted him) vs. TB- Brad Johnson(9th rd pick, not on team that drafted him)
XXXVI: NE- Tom Brady(6th rd) vs STL- Kurt Warner(not on team that drafted him, undrafted)
XXXV: BAL- Trent Dilfer(1st rd, not on team that drafted him) vs. NYG- Kerry Collins(1st rd pick, not on team that drafted him)
XXXIV: STL- Kurt Warner(undrafted) vs. TEN- Steve Mcnair(1st rd pick)
That's 9 different QB's that either weren't 1st round picks, or weren't playing for the team that drafted them. 7 super bowls, 11 times a QB started that wasn't a 1st round pick or wasn't with the team that drafted him(only once was the winning Qb a 1st rd pick and for the team that drafted them). And Roethlisberger and Brady are the only QBs up there that won the Super Bowl for the team that drafted them, and again Roethlisberger is the only one of those two who is a first round pick.
I think all of this shows that we don't NEED to draft a Qb with our first pick THIS upcoming draft. We have just as good of a chance with someone elses first round pick as our QB.
Our first rd pick should be used elsewhere. Whether that is OL, Defense, or BPA(*cough Calvin Johnson cough*).
Now I don't want to see another thread about people being sick of us not using a 1st round pick on a QB, or I will just repost this into every single one of those threads.
EDIT: And if you want to mention John Elway, remember he wasn't even drafted by the Broncos. Same thing goes for Steve Young not being drafted by the 49ers, and Joe Montana being a 3rd round pick. Brett favre wasn't a 1st rounder or drafted by the Packers. So everyone can just stuff it now.
First round picks don't gurantee success by any stretch
Since '93(1st rd QBs):
Vince Young- Too Early
Matt Leinhart- Too Early
Jay Cutler- Too Early
Alex Smith-Early, awful last year, promising this
Aaron Rodgers- Never seen the field
Jason Campbell- Never seen the field
Eli Manning- Look very good
Philip Rivers- Looks very good
Ben Roethlisberger- very Good
JP Losman- Jury's still out, but looks average
Carson Palmer- Superstar
Byron Leftwich- Very good(IMO)
Kyle Boller- Eh, looked good one year, but average at best
David Carr- Looks solid
Joey Harrington- Average at best in Detroit, on new team
Patrick Ramsey- Bust as of now, on new team
Michael Vick- Superstar, but overrated and not much of a thrower
Chad Pennington- Solid, would be better if not for injury's
Tim Couch- Bust
Donovan McNabb- Superstar
Akili Smith- BUST
Daunte Culpepper- Star, on new team
Cade McNown- BUST
Peyton Manning- Superstar
Ryan Leaf- BUST!!!
Jim Druckenmiller- Bust
Steve Mcnair- Was very good, on new team now
Kerry Collins- Solid at best IMO, on many different teams
Heath Shuler- BUSt
Trent Dilfer- Average/solid at best, on new teams, got his ring though
Drew Bledsoe- Solid, on new teams
Rick Mirer- BUST(IMO), played multiple teams
Not counting from the past 2 drafts, that is 13 of 26 QBs, who could be looked at as average or worse. So 1st round doesn't mean squat for sure except for cap trouble. It's a coin flip just like every other position in the draft.
EDIT: I forgot Grossman, but I would say he is still solid at best, because I'm not sold on him until he plays a whole season. Injury bug!!
