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We will NOT Pay Jennings and Hartline AND get a first round receiver

jlfin said:
Why spend 2 draft picks on WR's? The team needs more than WR's. The way to beat the Pats is with defense, not by outscoring them. The Giants beat them by pressuring Brady with 4 pass rushers (without blitzing).
The Ravens shut them out in the 2nd half in the AFC championship game. Get the picture.
You need a balanced offense to win. Its great to have good WR's, but you also need to be able to convert on 3rd and short. This isn't arena football.

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That's his agent's startng point. I bet he signs for 4.5-5.5 M (with someone).
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im comfortable with 4 at most, anything more is an absolute waste

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the beauty of the Rookie cap is to bring in a hartline tpe player without playing hartline type money
 
JakeMcAwful said:
I'd be psyched for a WR corps that looked like this,

Jennings (FA)
Hartline (FA)
Bess
Stedman Bailey (2nd Round pick #1)
Matthews

Sign Jared Cook in FA, resign Fasano. This is very doable, I would hope :D

I agree with OP though, I don't think we sign both Jennings & Hartline as well as draft a WR in the 1st. Plenty of value in the second, along with us having other holes to fill and there being more value at DE where we're drafting.
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this is explosive, but what do we do with the offensive line?
 
We shouldn't pay hartline and jennings and Go #1 on a WR. IMO If they sign Jennings they will go DL or CB in rd 1 as they should and nab either Robert Woods, DeAndre Hopkins,Tavin Austin or Stedman Bailey in rd 2.


Jennings
Hartline
Bess
Hopkins
Matthews
Binns/Moore

Add a TE like Keller, have Bess in a more comfortable role then in 2012 and a more seasoned Matthews and thats a huge upgrade from 2012.
 
Jennings
Markus Wheaton
Stedman Bailey
Matthews
Binn

Bamm!

No need for Wallace when you can have Wheaton. Go watch his highlights. He's ready. 2nd round, 3rd round, be done with it.
 
normaldude said:
I would be fine with signing Jennings & Hartline, and using our 1st rd pick on a DB.
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This would GUARANTEE being 7-9 or 6-10 again.

If you (or anyone else) thinks signing an over-30 WCO specialist WR who is really a glorified 2 with some speed (which is declining) means we have The Answer at WR... I got real estate out in East Miami to sell you.
 
iwastherein72 said:
This would GUARANTEE being 7-9 or 6-10 again.

If you (or anyone else) thinks signing an over-30 WCO specialist WR who is really a glorified 2 with some speed (which is declining) means we have The Answer at WR... I got real estate out in East Miami to sell you.
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You make such a definitive statement as if to suggest that no WR ever drafted beyond rd 1 has ever become an upper echelon receiver. How foolish and uninformed. You are aware that defense is an integral part in winning football games.
 
I honestly don't believe the second round receivers will ever amount to number 1 receivers in the nfl. That's what we should be going after.
 
If we signed Wallace and Bowe, why would I even want Hartline? Nice kid but not really in the same league as Wallace and Bowe.
 
I dont see why we can't have Jennings, Hartline, Bess, and a high round draft pick. Jennings is not a long term solution, and he works well on an offense the spreads the ball around. Its financial feasible, and it makes sense talent wise.

The only reason we wouldnt follow that scenerio is if we like some of the WRs currently on our roster to be long term starters, which I dont see happening.
 
ANUFan said:
As long as this FO doesn't think adding just 1 receiver is the end to our woes I will be happy. We should be adding through a combination of FA and the Draft at least 3 receivers....two of which should be able to FLY!
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Not sure if that is allowed within the rules of the NFL, but if they allow flying WRs into the league and we could nab one of them I think one is all we need. No way a DB could cover a flying WR. Of course he would have to be able to catch, and RT would have to be able to learn to throw to 3D routes, but once they practiced it awhile I think it could really change he way the game is played. Personally I think maybe you have been watching too many cartoons, jus sayn.
 
Our WR corps with Jennings (no guarantee on that, unfortunately), Hartline, Bess, Matthews, 2nd or 3rd round draft choice, 3rd or 4th round draft choice, and a wicked competition between who was in the bottom of our roster as of the end of 2012 season.
I really think this is good enough if we can improve the TE position too. You could also bring in a more affordable scat-back/poor-man's Darren Sproles type with Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas. I really like Thomas in 3rd downs though, as he's the best blocker and is good in space for screens or check-downs.

I do worry if Miami would have to spend more to pay their FAs. I mean, if they let their guys test the market, are those guys gonna take less from another team just because they're pissed at Miami for not locking them up earlier. This is worst-case scenario. Like, would Hartline demand 7 mil from Miami but then settle for 4 from another team just to spite the Dolphins? I understand the human nature logic of it though.

Getting back to WR, though. I do think if we can get Hartline for a reasonable figure and Jennings, plus what we've got on the roster and non-1st round pick, then we could really use the draft on other serious needs like DB, pass-rusher and MORE O-LINE.
 
I'm seein' some crazy stuff in these threads. Saying a 2nd (or lower) draft pick can't equal a 1st round draft pick is insane, especially at WR. TY. Hilton is already better than most of the WRS drafted in the 1st round last year. Unfortunately, he wasn't picked by Jeff the idiot boy. We got a waste-of-skin TE instead.
Also, people are WAY undervaluing Jennings in here. If Jennings didn't pass your eye test for a #1WR in those December 2012 Packer games then get yer freakin' eyes checked! That man is a baller-extraordinaire at the WR position. His hands rule, his body strength and control and general athleticism trump the field, and his speed is plenty good to get open on any kind of route. You get him the ball down the field with only one man between him and a TD, just start playing the Dolphin Theme song now... With all his injuries and such, I had my doubts too. Then I watched those Packer games and had enough "oooohh" moments to want him on the Dolphins ASAP.
 
finfan54 said:
I totally disagree with the notion that a WR has to absolutely be taken in the first round no matter who we obtain or retain!!!!

I remember, the year was 2007. Ted Ginn was the most explosive player there ever was to grace the college playing field. Pat Willis was drafted right behind us. Ted Ginn is in the super bowl, but as a returner, no value guy.
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Ted Ginn isn't an example of why you don't take a WR, he's an example of why you don't reach (and it was a hell of a reach) for a player and why you don't hire idiot talent evaluators. I don't remember reading a single thing saying that was a good pick, outside of a few of the super homer posts on here right after. As for your initial point, I agree that it's certainly not WR or bust with that pick, but a couple of WRs certainly warrant consideration, unlike Ginn where he was drafted when Willis was the obvious choice.
 
Look what the bears did last year. knowing that Knox was gonna be out they drafted a WR adn traded and got Marshall. I see the Dolphins do a simillar thing.
 
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