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I think I'm pulling for Jake Long :woot:


There are a lot of J.Long detractors on this board, many that site random, unknown internet "experts" that say Long is not a LT, but a RT. I think the man's college record speaks for itself.


As for the naysayers, here is what I don’t understand:

Jake Long is far and away the consensus #1 OT prospect in this draft. He is #1 & #1a. Then come second tier guys like Otah.

It has often been mentioned that this is a VERY deep draft for OTs. Usually this is cited as a reason NOT to draft Jake Long. I think the exact opposite in this case. If this is such a deep draft for OT's and Long his easily the best prospect at the position, how can you not draft him?


Everyone knocks Matt Ryan for being the best QB in a week class; why not give credit to J. Long for being the best OT in a deep one?




Hitch her up, J.Longers! I'm coming along for the ride. :beer1:
 
Honestly, I think Jake Long will be the pick, and if we must select someone and we must pay them that money, Jake Long makes the most sense to me. My heart wants Chris Long (I'm a UVa fan), but Jake Long is exactly what Parcells needs at that position and someone around whom he can seriously build a team. While Chris Long is very good, I'm not sold that he's really the guy Parcells wants there. Gholston, Groves, there are other options for that position, whereas there are no other LT's that run block like Jake Long, and only Otah really is even worth discussing.

People talk about how this is a great OT draft--and it is--but IMHO, Vernon Carey showed a lot last season, more than I expected, and he's probably as good as any of those LT's except Jake Long in run blocking, and he's probably going to be somewhere in that group's range of pass pro for the next couple of years. So, it makes no sense to draft any LT in the first round except Jake Long, who is a mistake-free and injury-free dominant run blocker who has no mental lapses at pass pro and enough physical gifts to play LT at a high level.

Sure, we could draft an OT in rounds 2 or below, but if we do that, we're choosing Vernon Carey to be our LT probably for a good long while too. So like whomever you like, but just realize that of the LT's available there are only 2 that fit the Parcells mold, Jake Long and Jeff Otah. Clady has mental lapses and is a subpar run blocker, so he's out. Albert and even moreso Williams are raw and will take a couple of years to grow into the spot. Baker doesn't have the reliability (injuries), attitude, or sheer physical ability of Jake Long. The rest really aren't LT's.

So, choosing anyone besides Jake Long at #1, is really a vote of confidence in Vernon Carey at LT. We can't fill every spot in one draft, but I'd say that next year Parcells is more likely to go QB or OLB than this year, because he's unlikely to be drafting #1 overall again next season.

We'd like to trade down, but without any takers, I think we take Jake Long.

Welcome to the bandwagon Phinja. :)
 
I would prefer Chris Long, but wouldn't be disappointed if we picked Jake Long or Vernon Gholston. As long as we don't take Matt Ryan first, I'll be happy, since I don't believe Ryan is worthy of the #1 overall pick.

My dream scenario would be to trade out of the #1 with Atlanta for multiple picks and then possibly trade down again with Dallas, but I don't think that's gonna happen (although I would be ecstatic if it did).
 
If it was just a matter of player vs player, I want Chris Long over Jake Long, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of taking Jake Long instead because of the fact that every year some great player unexpectedly drops to the second round and if we take Jake, we're free to pick for value with the 32nd pick. If we don't take Jake, we may be tying our hands into having to take a tackle with 32 regardless of who's available just because of need.

I really don't know who I want anymore between the two, but this is just something I've been thinking about.
 
I'm hoping we select Jake Long as well. We have the opportunity to solidify our offensive line for the next 5-10 years la Green Bay Packers by selecting Long and then a OG in the 3rd or 4th round.

I don't think our front office is going to spend all that money on a 3-4 OLB, I'm sure they'd rather spend it on a OT. Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that in the last five years, no 3-4 OLB has been drafted in the top five.
 
I thought about starting the same thread stating just the same. Here are my reasons other than the ones above:

1. Just because the draft is deep in number of capable players at OT doesn't mean that there are enough capable players to last through round one. I'm seeing more and more mock drafts that are now having 6 linemen taken in the first round. This means that there may only be third tier OTs by the time our #32 pick comes up. We will then be royally screwed as far as OT is concerned. This means that ...

2. We have to use our #1 on an OT because it will be the only chance we will get. If we are able to trade down, it will have to be in the top 10-15 simply to get a chance at the only other viable alternative to Long (IMHO) - Otah. I really prefer dropping down to take Otah because I think he may be an overall better LT than Long and we will have another pick (2nd rd).

3. I am having a harder time understanding why people don't think he can be a Pro-Bowl LT due to him not being atheletic enough. Someone compared his combine stats to Thomas (#3 overall last draft) who was a pro-bowler in his first year. Long was faster in the 10 yard dash, the shuttle run, and the 3 cone drill. That means he's more athletic than Thomas. He's also a lot stronger than him, is a lot meaner (finisher), a better leader, and was a better college tackle as he won all the awards while Thomas was still in college. I believe Long has a wider wing span than Thomas. I curious to see the combine stats of Vernon Carey.

4. I am believing that another road grader is probably going to be more valuable to us than having an above average OLB in C Long. We have hardly any bodies/talent on the Oline. We need two starters! We have many OLBs (I am hoping for a Taylor trade for at least a 2nd rd pk). With an above average Oline, we will also hasten the development of whoever our young QB will be (I don't want to draft a QB in the first two rounds). It will play to our strength of running the ball meaning QB can play action at will and he will have time to set up and scan the field and throw the ball. In other words, our QB won't be running for his life this year. Also, our defense will not be on the field the majority of the game.

5. I believe the ceiling on J. Long is higher than C. Long. More importantly, I believe the floor is lower for C. Long. We simply can't afford to screw up the pick. There's a better chance that C. Long will be only a slightly above average starter than J. Long. At worst, he is a significantly above average RT and then we get leave Carey on the left side. Next year we resign Carey or draft a LT and allow Carey to walk.

Make some room for me on the Jake Long express!
 
JamesBW43 said:
If it was just a matter of player vs player, I want Chris Long over Jake Long, but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of taking Jake Long instead because of the fact that every year some great player unexpectedly drops to the second round and if we take Jake, we're free to pick for value with the 32nd pick. If we don't take Jake, we may be tying our hands into having to take a tackle with 32 regardless of who's available just because of need.

I really don't know who I want anymore between the two, but this is just something I've been thinking about.
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I think we should take Chris Long for the same reason. This draft is soooo deep at OT we are going to get a good tackle in the second round.
 
Phinja said:
I think I'm pulling for Jake Long :woot:


There are a lot of J.Long detractors on this board, many that site random, unknown internet "experts" that say Long is not a LT, but a RT. I think the man's college record speaks for itself.


As for the naysayers, here is what I don’t understand:

Jake Long is far and away the consensus #1 OT prospect in this draft. He is #1 & #1a. Then come second tier guys like Otah.

It has often been mentioned that this is a VERY deep draft for OTs. Usually this is cited as a reason NOT to draft Jake Long. I think the exact opposite in this case. If this is such a deep draft for OT's and Long his easily the best prospect at the position, how can you not draft him?


Everyone knocks Matt Ryan for being the best QB in a week class; why not give credit to J. Long for being the best OT in a deep one?




Hitch her up, J.Longers! I'm coming along for the ride. :beer1:
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Once again this is not a weak Qb draft
 
thomasdan15 said:
I think we should take Chris Long for the same reason. This draft is soooo deep at OT we are going to get a good tackle in the second round.
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If we pass on Jake you better hope there is a GREAT one left because he is going to start 16 games at RT. And that means Carey will be at LT.


Personally I'm sick of watching our QB's run around trying not to get sacked.
 
You really can't go wrong with a trenches guy, but I really like J.Long at #1. All the prospects high in this draft have flaws, and with the amount of money that is going to be tossed at these guys, I want as close to a sure thing as possible. For me the smart money is on J. Long.


Besides that, we have a couple of effective passrushers. Yes JT and JP are a little long in the tooth, but these guys are still among the best at what they do. We really only have ONE effective OT. We need the bookend style tackles, guys that will be a staple of our Oline for many, many years.

Think about it. As much as our Oline has changed in the last decade, to be able to say:

Long
(guard)
Satele
(guard)
Carey

Barring injuries, that would not need to change till somewhere around 2020.
 
The reason we dont select the top OT in a DEEP class is cause we NEED a lot of players. if we were one OT away from the playoffs, he would be the pick. Id rather have the best OLB in a weak class and a good OT.
 
thomasdan15 said:
I think we should take Chris Long for the same reason. This draft is soooo deep at OT we are going to get a good tackle in the second round.
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You HOPE there's a good OT leftover!!!

J.Long = top 5
R.Clady = top 10
J.Otah & C.Williams =top 20
G.Cherilus = top 30
B.Albert = top 30

That doesn't leave much to brag about and that's only if S.Baker doesn't also sneak in.

Now J.Harding/A.Cason/J.King/K.Phillips/K.Balmer/D.Conner/L.Sweed are all available with our 32nd pick compared to C.Nick/A.Collins and maybe S.Baker so what's your pick? We need a OT but these guys aren't as talented as what's still on the board in other positions of need for us and BPA.

J.Long please!!!!!!! I don't want our hands to be tied because we will NEED a OT later.
 
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