oh i agree. i thought it was kinda funny that matt ryan was getting as much attention as he was, even when Rodgers was playing well. but there WAS an awful lot said about drafting aaron rodgers #2, and i think much was said about the failures of jeff tedford QBs - which ive maintained all along didnt mean anything. leadership and mind are not affected by a system. its just clear cut now - because rodgers has proven himself what a mistake we made. if rodgers would have been selected in the 6th round it would be a different story. but he WAS projected potentially to go #1, and most often aaron rodger and alex smith were projected #1 and #2 up until right before the draft when ronnie brown emerged as the favorite in some projections
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oh i agree. i thought it was kinda funny that matt ryan was getting as much attention as he was, even when Rodgers was playing well. but there WAS an awful lot said about drafting aaron rodgers #2, and i think much was said about the failures of jeff tedford QBs - which ive maintained all along didnt mean anything. leadership and mind are not affected by a system. its just clear cut now - because rodgers has proven himself what a mistake we made. if rodgers would have been selected in the 6th round it would be a different story. but he WAS projected potentially to go #1, and most often aaron rodger and alex smith were projected #1 and #2 up until right before the draft when ronnie brown emerged as the favorite in some projections
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Ryan had a great past season. I think he is a good QB but thats it. Fluke freak elite season IMO.
Now the bounces aren't going their way. Rodgers has dealt with bounces and injury not going their way and has continued to deliver. They are the 2000 Patriots but not as dbaggy or disrespectful
Now the bounces aren't going their way. Rodgers has dealt with bounces and injury not going their way and has continued to deliver. They are the 2000 Patriots but not as dbaggy or disrespectful
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Ryan is good, no doubt about that.
Sometimes as fans we tend to forget that it's a team sport. A QB can't do it alone. When everybody is on the same page great things happen but even a guys like Manning and Brady can't carry a team on their backs to the Superbowl every year.
Sometimes as fans we tend to forget that it's a team sport. A QB can't do it alone. When everybody is on the same page great things happen but even a guys like Manning and Brady can't carry a team on their backs to the Superbowl every year.
havent watched him play. but ive watched red zone quit a bit this season and from what ive seen, as a player it would be impossible not to love harbaugh, the guy knows how to instill confidence in players. he knows how to handle his quarterback. alex smith for the first time since college probably BELIEVES his coach has his back. and im sure harbaugh does. that goes a long way. plus what the hell does a guy like sparano know about the quarterback position??? jack ****!!!
not defending henne, but the guy was absolutely NOT handled correctly, and he NEVER had a shot with the coaches that surrounded him to start his career
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I think that can be said for a lot of QB's who didn't work out. Wrong player with the wrong coach in the wrong system = bust.
Harbaugh is clearly a good coach but I think with him having been an NFL QB it gives him an edge when it comes to evaluating his QB's and developing a system and plays that works for them. A good coach who knows the position beyond just the X's and O's.
Sticking with the 49ers, Nolan and Singletary, same problem as Sparano, not QB guys. Maybe smart guys who know their X's and O's but don't really get the QB position.
i agree 100%. and your thinking is EXACTLY my thinking on one of the things that would and will make harbaugh a great head coach. i was tremendously disappointed ross couldnt bring him to miami. but harbaugh was never leaving california.
but isnt this reason enough for sparano NOT to be here?? if he doesnt understand quarterback play (and there is NO WAY IN HELL HE DOES) and what a quarterback experiences in a game how can he lead our properly??
this being said - doesnt all of this contribute significantly to WHY gruden would make an excellent choice?
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Depends.
Hypothetically, let's say Sparano was the HC and Harbaugh were the OC. I think you'd get similar results to what Harbaugh has done in SF. I like what Daboll is trying to do but he's a new OC. Harbaugh has far more experience and (based on his success in SF so far) was able to get better results faster from his players. If Harbaugh were the Dolphins OC they are 4-0 right now and everybody loves Sparano.
Sparano is a coach who's success rides on the talent of his staff. That doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach but he's not a guy like Belichick who can do it all on his own.
Take Lebeau away from the Steelers and how successful are Cower and Tomlin? What happens if Sparano was hired by the steelers instead of Tomlin?
It's always easy to blame or credit the guy at the top but when you start digging into successful teams you find that there are a lot of guys who made those teams what they are and often those guys don't get the credit they deserve.
I'm not trying to be a homer and defend Sparano but trying to look at things objectively.
I wanted to draft Aaron Rodgers over Ronnie Brown.
I wanted the first overall pick in that draft so that we could take Aaron Rodgers because I thought he'd go that high when the draft rolled around.
I was STUNNED that Alex Smith somehow graded out better than Aaron Rodgers. Couldn't make any sense out of Aaron Rodgers dropping as far as he did.
absolutely positively would NOT get the same results its sparanos voice. hes the head. hes the leader, hes the guy players look to, hes the guy either player respect or dont respect. hes the one calling the shots and if he cant make a choice to keep the ball on 4th and 1 with the game on the line instead of kicking a field goal - then his team cant make the choice to come up big and be aggressive when THEY need to.
jim harbaugh at offensive coordinator wouldnt do **** for this team. NOTHING. sparanos an awful coach, and he needs to take his dumb *** and hit the road. hes a terrible leader and hell never win in this league or any other. let him go coach some stupid ****ing high school team or division 2 school in connecticut, and he can fist pump all he wants as long as we dont have to see his monkey act
me too my man. perhaps this will help refresh your memory
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2039797
GMs STILL dont get it. the 2 most important factors for successful QBs and the ONLY 2 that show up everytime. natural LEADERSHIP and their MIND. its the same reason while all these idiots were saying cam newton couldnt make it in the NFL - they dont understand WHAT MATTERS. and i dont know Tebows mind, but i sure as hell wouldnt bet against the guy like everybody else has written him off, because he sure as hell possesses leadership in spades. (obviously u need some natural talent for the position - so lets not go crazy here - im talking about what actually separates the really good ones from the busts)
well i dont think they are going to lose any more than they have the past 2 years anyways. he did exactly the same thing yesterday that hes done right from the beginning in denver - provide that team with confidence, move the ball and score. not really too sure what Fox was looking at when he came on board. Fox has already blown his head coaching tenure in Denver. Kyle Orton isnt a franchise guy. hes a middle of the road starter. they should have traded him to clear the road for tebow, and they should have expressed 110% support for tebow, and developed their offense to suit his strengths. let him play and develop, and access the situation after 16 games. no pulling him from games and all this dumb **** coaches do. if the season didnt go well they would be in a postion to draft a potential franchise guy, and nobody would question anything
fox is an idiot, and elway blew his first big decision. this was a win win for the team and they STILL blew it
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I agree.
Sorta.
The Tebow situation is just weird.
Tebow was dumped on Fox and Elway by McDaniels and I don't think they wanted him. Elway never would have drafted him.
He sucked during the preseason and Orton was clearly the better QB. The coach made the right call on that. You go with your best players.
However, you throw Tebow into a game and he just makes things happen. I guess you could call it a game day intangible quality.
But now, at 1-4, Denver needs to start Tebow and see how the season ends. Either he is the guy or they are another team in line to suck for luck. If Tebow stinks, start Quinn. Orton isn't the answer.
no orton wasnt clearly the better QB. all they had to do was go back and WATCH THE GAMES from last year. they ALREADY KNEW - or should have known what they had in orton - a middle of the road at best starting QB. they didnt know what they had in tebow. they did know what they had in orton WASNT ENOUGH. so they made the same ******* mistake that so many of these guys that "think" they know what the hell they are doing continue to make over and over an over again. - the same damn thing that gets guys fired. they SETTLED for a ****ty QB, when they KNEW he wasnt great. they THINK they are such great coaches and GMs that they can win without a good QB. and its precisely that mentality that makes them POOR coaches and GMs.
all they had to do was watch the games. they should have removed ALL DOUBT. traded orton IMMEDIATELY and cleared the path for tebow. and instead of wavering on the guy pledged their support 100% to him and his development - told him U ARE THE MAN. we are GOING TO WIN WITH YOU. and they needed to believe it. they blew it. tim tebow will never trust john fox and john elway. they might as well draft another QB now, because they already destroyed 2 QB commodities they possessed. they alienated and enraged the fan base, and they hurt their own credibility moving forward.
REALLY REALLY bad start for John Fox. i can guarantee you his time is already up in denver. there is no way he lasts long enough to turn it around now, and they are going to have to draft another QB. they will probably play around with tebow and blow that as well, by not being able to make a decision.