What Broncos fans think of Mike McCoy

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The owner being a bozo and GM not caring about the QB position doesn't mean Zimmer is smart by withdrawing his name. The fact that only the Dolphins and Bucs have interviewed him to be the HC and he hasn't had an interview for a HC position since he was with the Cowboys in 2006 speaks volumes to me about Zimmer. Either he sucks at interviews, is looking for the absolute perfect situation or has no confidence in turning around a franchise. 5 years is a long time between interviews, you'd think he'd realize they don't come every year.

Well, people have said that Billick isn't getting interviews because of his personality, I imagine it's the same for Zimmer. While Billick comes across as very arrogant and condescending, Zimmer just seems volatile and unrefined from what I've read about him and seen from him (i.e. the Bobby Petrino thing). I was never a Zimmer fan, so it's easy for me to sit here and pick apart his flaws as a candidate, but I think that for an NFL coach, being able to deal with the media and avoid potential landmines in the press is absolutely critical.

Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize, but I'm not at all averse to hiring McCoy. If we're going to take a swing on a coordinator with an unimpressive resume (and IMO, Philbin's resume is unimpressive), then I'd rather we go for the fences with a young guy like McCoy.

 

[Zounds]

You have nothing to lose by interviewing. You do have something to lose if you take the job (which anyway I don't think had been offered to either of them).

What leads me to believe his report is false is that why would Zimmer whithdraw his name as a Miami HC candidate when he is continuing to interview with other teams? If he was offered a contract with another team, like the Tampa Bay Bucs today, why wouldnt he want leverage? Also, if he was persuaded by league circles that Miami is terrible, why didnt he just decline the interview? It makes him look desperate that he went on an interview with a team to which he knew was terrible. The NFL is a small world and you never burn your bridges.

The whole idea that these two candidates withdrew their names because their pals said Miami is a horrible franchise sounds like more media BS to me.

 

[TheWalrus]

The owner being a bozo and GM not caring about the QB position doesn't mean Zimmer is smart by withdrawing his name. The fact that only the Dolphins and Bucs have interviewed him to be the HC and he hasn't had an interview for a HC position since he was with the Cowboys in 2006 speaks volumes to me about Zimmer. Either he sucks at interviews, is looking for the absolute perfect situation or has no confidence in turning around a franchise. 5 years is a long time between interviews, you'd think he'd realize they don't come every year.

I'm not arguing that it was smart. There are more variables involved in the decision than either of us are aware of. I only said that I could see the point of view of someone who would think that way.

The point is that a guy who's been on the ball about everything in this coaching search said that Zimmer and Toub both removed their own names. Whether that was smart of them to do and the "why" (though this has been reported, also), is sort of beside the point. Once you accept that report then only a homer really puts all of that on Zimmer and Toub for being weak or stupid.

An honest person has to consider -- especially all that's gone on in Dolphinland for the last two years -- whether the Dolphins job is considered, as I said earlier, utterly poisonous.

This line of thinking that there are only 32 of these jobs and that no coach would ever take their name out of the running for one of them doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, haven't we all been in that situation where we want to have another beer but the only one left is some skunky *** Steel Reserve so we pass on it? Haven't we all been at that party where some whale with a unibrow is hot to trot but we get the hell out of there anyway?

 

[NY8123]

If we choose McCoy, I could see us targeting Richardson in the draft. McCoy knows how to use a RB.

I actually hope we do not choose McCoy. I would rather see Philbin come to Miami, that would immediately put Miami as the front runner for Flynn's service. Not sayin' he is the answer either but a good coach/Qb seems to improve your odds of success but what the hell do I know lol.

 

[TheWalrus]

What leads me to believe his report is false is that why would Zimmer whithdraw his name as a Miami HC candidate when he is continuing to interview with other teams? If he was offered a contract with another team, like the Tampa Bay Bucs today, why wouldnt he want leverage? Also, if he was persuaded by league circles that Miami is terrible, why didnt he just decline the interview? It makes him look desperate that he went on an interview with a team to which he knew was terrible. The NFL is a small world and you never burn your bridges.

The whole idea that these two candidates withdrew their names because their pals said Miami is a horrible franchise sounds like more media BS to me.

Is it really that hard to conceive of the fact that Miami is considered around the league to be one of the very worst places to be a head coach? Not saying it's necessarily true (though I believe it is). But why not even consider that and see if everything else that's happened and continues to happen lines up with it?

Like I said, why turn down an interview anywhere? I've interviewed places where I wouldn't have taken the job if they had offered it to me because of stuff I found out during and after the interview. Doesn't mean I thought it was a waste of time. Doesn't mean I regretted it. Interviewing is a positive unto itself, as nothing else but useful practice.

The Dolphins and their fan base is one of those 5 or 6's who look in the mirror and see a 10. I think that's one of the major issues here.

 

[hoops]

Orton's best years was with McCloy.

yeah and if you watched orton in 2010 like i did plenty of when everyone and their mother on here wanted us to acquire him in trade "to get us over the hump" you'd know that orton got away with a awful lot of bad balls and bad decisions...an awful lot...the kind that caught up with him in 2011...all people on here could see was that garbage 2 to 1 td to int ratio just like all these cats now with that stupid matt moore qbr argument...

and anyways orton on his best day just like matt moore is not good enough...never will be...

even chambers himself uses words like "decent" and "ok" when talking about mccoys feats in carolina and denver...

 

[datruth55]

I'm not arguing that it was smart. There are more variables involved in the decision than either of us are aware of. I only said that I could see the point of view of someone who would think that way.

The point is that a guy who's been on the ball about everything in this coaching search said that Zimmer and Toub both removed their own names. Whether that was smart of them to do and the "why" (though this has been reported, also), is sort of beside the point. Once you accept that report then only a homer really puts all of that on Zimmer and Toub for being weak or stupid.

An honest person has to consider -- especially all that's gone on in Dolphinland for the last two years -- whether the Dolphins job is considered, as I said earlier, utterly poisonous.

This line of thinking that there are only 32 of these jobs and that no coach would ever take their name out of the running for one of them doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, haven't we all been in that situation where we want to have another beer but the only one left is some skunky *** Steel Reserve so we pass on it? Haven't we all been at that party where some whale with a unibrow is hot to trot but we get the hell out of there anyway?

I can honestly say I've never been in either one of those situations.

I don't think, and I'm no homer either, that the Dolphins job has "arrived" to poisonous status. I do think, however, that this next hire is important and his success however small it may be will be critical to not getting to the poisonous state. If we fail, and by we I mean Stephan Ross, Jeff Ireland and whoever the next coach is, then I think we may be sitting at the bottom of this league for a mighty long time and the appeal of coaching in South Florida will be tainted possibly forever.

Toub pulling his name is understandable...he's young and will probably get other opportunities especially if he switches to a position coach like John Harbaugh did but Zimmer's opportunities are dwindling, his age is a factor and becoming more so with each passing year. If he's not offered the Bucs job he may never get another shot...not if it's another 5 years and he's over 60 with no HC experience. Retreads get a shot at that age but not first timers.

If your guy, whatever his name is, is correct in reporting that Mike McCoy is the target then I have a feeling this franchise is screwed...but it will eventually lead to the firing of Jeff Ireland and possibly a high enough pick to get a franchise QB....one can only hope.

 

[datruth55]

Well, people have said that Billick isn't getting interviews because of his personality, I imagine it's the same for Zimmer. While Billick comes across as very arrogant and condescending, Zimmer just seems volatile and unrefined from what I've read about him and seen from him (i.e. the Bobby Petrino thing). I was never a Zimmer fan, so it's easy for me to sit here and pick apart his flaws as a candidate, but I think that for an NFL coach, being able to deal with the media and avoid potential landmines in the press is absolutely critical.

Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize, but I'm not at all averse to hiring McCoy. If we're going to take a swing on a coordinator with an unimpressive resume (and IMO, Philbin's resume is unimpressive), then I'd rather we go for the fences with a young guy like McCoy.

I can see that about Billick...he can come across very arrogant...but Billick never removed his name from consideration for a job. He always let it play out.

 

[hoops]

who cares if a head coach candidate is arrogant...jeff irelands not arrogant??? these guys are getting dropped from consideration cause they're not bowing down on one knee...that and maybe like others have said they see the writing on the wall...

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I look at what happened to guys like Hue Jackson, Mike Singletary and Raheem Morris (and going back to guys like Ditka and Mora Sr.) and that's why I'm not real high on Zimmer. I'm afraid that Zimmer, based on what I know of him (which admittedly isn't a whole lot) is the kind of guy who would explode when the **** hits the fan and melt down in public.

That's the last thing this franchise needs right now.

 

[Lee2000]

This board is overwhelmingly for Philbin. I was a bit surprised by that. McCoy is getting more love on other sites than on this board. I am torn about it. I really believe that McCoy will be the next coach. By choosing him they have a shot to keep Bowles as DC. There is some talk on the other boards that Philbin is the trail runner in this race. None of these candidates are perfect and bring many unknowns to the situation. From what I have read, it appears that McCoy may lead the group in the "leader of men" category, and that is more of an unknown for Philbin. Bowles proved he could do that the last three games. Bowles selection would keep current coaches in place (at least generally believed). The ultimate question here is Daboll better than who McCoy will appoint at OC, and is McCoy better as an administrator than Bowles. The skill set for a head coach is so different than for coordinator. Some of us are judging McCoy, or acutally all three, on their coordinator skill set, when the head coaching position takes so much more (motivation, administrative, decisiveness).

 

[hoops]

i'm gonna just go ahead and say that i'm gonna hope for philbin...not cause i think he's some great candidate...but just cause imo at least given where we are in the draft and all the only way i see us getting over the hump at qb this offseason is taking a chance on matt flynn in free agency should he get there...and if philbin comes here i think he provides us a good shot at making that happen...and til we fix this qb thing for the long term none of these head coach hires are gonna matter anyways...there are plenty of head coaches in this league who ride the coattails of a legit qb...plenty

not sayin i'm convinced matt flynn is gonna be a star but i know for a fact nothing we have in house at the position is gonna be...so i'll take the chance

 

[Zounds]

Is it really that hard to conceive of the fact that Miami is considered around the league to be one of the very worst places to be a head coach? Not saying it's necessarily true (though I believe it is). But why not even consider that and see if everything else that's happened and continues to happen lines up with it?

Like I said, why turn down an interview anywhere? I've interviewed places where I wouldn't have taken the job if they had offered it to me because of stuff I found out during and after the interview. Doesn't mean I thought it was a waste of time. Doesn't mean I regretted it. Interviewing is a positive unto itself, as nothing else but useful practice.

There are a lot worse places to coach than Miami. Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Minnessota, Oakland, and I could keep going. Those places are bad because of small markets, cheap owners, low talent, and poor drafting. Miami isnt nearly as bad as you and other cynical fans make it out to be. If a caoch comes here and fails, it will be his own fault, not because he didnt have proper resources or meddling owners.

Like I said in my previous post, why withdraw your name from contention when you are still interviewing with other teams? You would be shooting yourself in the foot when trying to play the leverage game. It makes absolutley no sense, and I call BS on that story. The smart thing to do would be to leave your name on the short list while you continue to interview, even if you predetermined you would not accept an offer.