What Could We Get For Zach Thomas?

[WestCoastPhins]

3 posts like this, so far you are 3-0 on making the idiotic threads. To trade away verterans is dumb, it doenst matter what we could get because it aint gonna happen.

 

[Blitz]

They have been the face of our franchise for the last 9 years.

And how many division titles have we won in that span? How many playoff games have we won? How many gamebreaking plays have they made in must-win games?

We've lost 18 of our last 25 games. Some of you are still living in WannyWorld where you think we're "close" to a Super Bowl. We're not anywhere close to making another run for the Super Bowl. We're two or three more offseasons of rebuilding away from making another serious run. By the time that day comes, ZT, JT, and Madison are either going to be in the twilight of their careers or retired. These are the hard truths of the matter.

IN an earlier post you said that the 49ers were better off after they traded Montana. By that logic Marino should have been traded sometime in the mid 90s. If Montana is tradable then Marino was too. (using your logic)

The 49ers still had a first ballot HOFer in Steve Young after they traded Joe Montana. When Marino was in his mid/late 30s, we had Bernie Kosar, Craig Erickson, Damon Huard, etc. behind him

Imagine if Marino had been born ten years earlier. Imagine if we had drafted him in 1973 instead of 1983. You're damn right I would have traded Bob Griese, one of my favorite players, at some point in the mid/late 70s. That's basically the kind of situation the 49ers were in with Montana/Young.

BTW, the year after Marino retired we won the division. So if we could win a division title after losing Marino, what in the world makes you think we won't be able to compete for a Super Bowl two or three years from now without ZT, JT, and Madison?

Your not going to get a better player at Zachs or JTs position by trading them.

How the heck do you know? Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor were not even taken in the first or secound round. What in the world makes you think Saban/Mueller cannot find the next generation of gems like ZT, JT, and Madison in our upcoming drafts? If they're unable to find gems in our drafts, then we're never going to make a run for the Super Bowl with Saban.

YOur not going to get a rookie to come in and bring what they can bring. SO why would you trade them?

You're not thinking long-term. Of course a rookie isn't going to play as well as ZT, JT, and Madison, but the rookie we may gain from trading one of them may blossom into an even greater player in the long run, giving us a top-notch player for the next decade. The more picks Saban/Mueller have at their disposal the more likely they are to find the next generation of Zach Thomases, Jason Taylors, and Sam Madisons.

IM not bashing you here ( I think its a stupid idea you have) but I see no logic in trading two guys when your not going to get fair value for them.

There comes a time in your life when you need to end certain chapters and move on, as painful as it may be. The same holds true for a football franchise. I strongly believe we ought to end the JJ-era. As much as I've cheered on ZT, JT, and Madison over the years, and hoped that they would lead us to a Super Bowl, it's just not going to happen. It's time for a completely fresh start. This is now Saban's team, not ZT & JT's team. It's time for us to get younger and hungrier.

As bad as things are going I cringe in how bad they would be without these two guys playing for us.

It's hard to do much worse than losing 18 of our last 25 games. We're 0.333 right now, and over half the season is over. That's atrocious. It's time to get younger and hungrier.

 

[Blitz]

3 posts like this, so far you are 3-0 on making the idiotic threads. To trade away verterans is dumb, it doenst matter what we could get because it aint gonna happen.

Schottenheimer traded Harrison and Seau, the icons of the Chargers' defense and their most popular players, after his first season coaching the Chargers.

Yeah, there's no way Saban might do what Schottenheimer did in San Diego

With the possible exception of Tony Gwynn, Junior Seau was the most famous and popular athlete in San Diego. He was far more popular in San Diego than ZT, JT, and Madison are in Miami. Make no mistake about it: One, two or perhaps all three of them may be traded this offseason.

 

[PressCoverage]

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amen, Blitz... but, you know... some people just can't get off the nipple...

I love Zach, and despite what nyjunc says, feel he's a Hall of Famer... I'd like him to stay out of honor and respect and appreciation, but if he wants to go for glory elsewhere, I wouldn't beg him to stay...

by the way... last week officially marked two full seasons without an interception from Madison... :shakeno:

 

[AquaAssasin]

how about put an option for no trade....?

 

[AquaAssasin]

And how many division titles have we won in that span? How many playoff games have we won? How many gamebreaking plays have they made in must-win games?

We've lost 18 of our last 25 games. Some of you are still living in WannyWorld where you think we're "close" to a Super Bowl. We're not anywhere close to making another run for the Super Bowl. We're two or three more offseasons of rebuilding away from making another serious run. By the time that day comes, ZT, JT, and Madison are either going to be in the twilight of their careers or retired. These are the hard truths of the matter.



The 49ers still had a first ballot HOFer in Steve Young after they traded Joe Montana. When Marino was in his mid/late 30s, we had Bernie Kosar, Craig Erickson, Damon Huard, etc. behind him

Imagine if Marino had been born ten years earlier. Imagine if we had drafted him in 1973 instead of 1983. You're damn right I would have traded Bob Griese, one of my favorite players, at some point in the mid/late 70s. That's basically the kind of situation the 49ers were in with Montana/Young.

BTW, the year after Marino retired we won the division. So if we could win a division title after losing Marino, what in the world makes you think we won't be able to compete for a Super Bowl two or three years from now without ZT, JT, and Madison?



How the heck do you know? Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor were not even taken in the first or secound round. What in the world makes you think Saban/Mueller cannot find the next generation of gems like ZT, JT, and Madison in our upcoming drafts? If they're unable to find gems in our drafts, then we're never going to make a run for the Super Bowl with Saban.



You're not thinking long-term. Of course a rookie isn't going to play as well as ZT, JT, and Madison, but the rookie we may gain from trading one of them may blossom into an even greater player in the long run, giving us a top-notch player for the next decade. The more picks Saban/Mueller have at their disposal the more likely they are to find the next generation of Zach Thomases, Jason Taylors, and Sam Madisons.



There comes a time in your life when you need to end certain chapters and move on, as painful as it may be. The same holds true for a football franchise. I strongly believe we ought to end the JJ-era. As much as I've cheered on ZT, JT, and Madison over the years, and hoped that they would lead us to a Super Bowl, it's just not going to happen. It's time for a completely fresh start. This is now Saban's team, not ZT & JT's team. It's time for us to get younger and hungrier.



It's hard to do much worse than losing 18 of our last 25 games. We're 0.333 right now. That's atrocious. It's time to get younger and hungrier.

last time i checked they are hungry and play at a high level...if they didnt, do you think saban would be playing them? also name another DE that can play a 3-4/4-3 hybrid like taylor and that is actually fast...

bro, get off the "trade taylor/thomas trip" it aint gonna happen anytime soon!

 

[AquaAssasin]

well blitz you might as well wanted to trade marino we the fins never went to the super after the 84 season and spiraled downward, then resurfaced to get embarrrassed in the playoffs everytime miami made it..

Marino in his final year couldnt even throw a good pass when he played the cowboys and got embarrassed by coakley. Gee you must have wanted him to be traded , right? He is old, not hungry anymore..Need youth, right!

 

[Blitz]

well blitz you might as well wanted to trade marino we the fins never went to the super after the 84 season and spiraled downward, then resurfaced to get embarrrassed in the playoffs everytime miami made it..

Marino isn't in the same category as ZT, JT, and Madison. Unlike those three, Marino is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. Unlike those three, Marino is one of the greatest to ever play his position. Unlike those three, Marino made gamebreaking plays in dozens of must-win games over the years. Unlike those three, Marino led us to numerous championship games and kept us in the hunt for the division title almost every single year.

And to those who compare him to Montana...people, it's not like we had Brett Favre on the bench in 1995! The 49ers had a young Steve Young when they traded Montana.

Marino in his final year couldnt even throw a good pass when he played the cowboys and got embarrassed by coakley. Gee you must have wanted him to be traded , right? He is old, not hungry anymore..Need youth, right!

Up until Thanksgiving Day of 1999, I believed that we were going to win a Super Bowl with Marino and JJ. I honestly believed we were going to win the Super Bowl that year. I was glad that Marino retired after that season because the dream truly died on Thanksgiving Day of 1999.

Up until the 2004 season, I believed that we were going to win a Super Bowl with ZT, JT and Madison. After losing 18 of our last 25 games since then, I now know it's not going to happen.

 

[PressCoverage]

Up until Thanksgiving Day of 1999, I believed that we were going to win a Super Bowl with Marino and JJ. I honestly believed we were going to win the Super Bowl that year. I was glad that Marino retired after that season because the dream truly died on Thanksgiving Day of 1999.

yeah... if Cecil Collins wasn't a pervert and the defense stayed healthy, who knows what might have happened that year... another major disappointment..

 

[Phantom]

I would trade anybody on this team, if it helped make the team better in the future !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Blitz]

yeah... if Cecil Collins wasn't a pervert and the defense stayed healthy, who knows what might have happened that year... another major disappointment..

Remember how amazing the '99 squad performed in the first game of the year against the defending Super Bowl champion Broncos?

That season hurt more than any other. I'll never forget that Thanksgiving Day game, the last hurrah in Seattle, and then the 62-7 nail in the coffin in Jacksonville...

 

[InWhiteTill4]

71 percent of you think he could yield AT LEAST a third-rounder?

This site should be named drug_induced_or_prepubescent_fin_fantasy_land.COM

Idiotic.

Biggest problem with this board, which has some potential.... lack of objectivity and intelligence.

Ooooohhhh.... maybe someone with thinner skin than a Trojan condom will take away my posting privileges... I'm so scared!!!!!!!!!

Mod Edit:

 

[SarahAnn]

I said a 4th round pick but i think it could be anywhere between 3 through 5. Zachs getting old.

Inwhite, no one is making you stay. I'm sure those on gang green will love to see your return.

 

[InWhiteTill4]

I said a 4th round pick but i think it could be anywhere between 3 through 5. Zachs getting old.

Inwhite, no one is making you stay. I'm sure those on gang green will love to see your return.

I hate when fans of my favorite team look so stupid.

That's all.

Anything better than a 6th would be a total dream sequence.

Mod Edit: Go away until you can be civil.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

Blitz I think you may have gotten more input, and less tension from members of the family if you hadn't done these same kinda of thread, and polls at the same time.:)