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"What Fisher, Harbaugh and Flynn avoided"

I don't like Ross, but this is ridiculous. Ross says our rookie QB is going to have to earn the starting job, which is as common sense as it gets. Sound the ****ing alarms.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Well, lets decide what Ross actually said...he said that it was likely that MMoore would start the season, probably based on the fact that he's earned that opportunity to be called the incumbent starter based on his performance last year. Is that such a wrong statement to make ?? Even tho I think he should leave the football discussions to his football people, he didn't make any wild predictions here...


He failed to get Harbaugh, but did he fail because he didn't try to get him or he bungled the interview process or he insisted that Harbaugh would not get autonomy here or was it really because Harbaugh wanted to stay on the WC more than anything...?? Harbaugh was not leaving the WC without a perfect setup for what he envisioned. Ross decided he wanted a GM to be in charge of the personnel and that shut the door on both Harbaugh and Fisher...so what ?? Who's to say that Harbaugh would have the same success here ??

Yes, he kept a lame duck coach here and yes because of how he went about the Harbaugh thing, he created that 'lame duck' situation. He put the organization and Sparano in a tough spot. However, faced with the labor unrest and lockout, would you have changed the organization as it was either ?? I know I wouldn't have. The best thing for the franchise at that moment was to leave things intact and see how it played out... We know the rest now. But changing everything up last offseason would have set the organization back even further. It was a necessary move or non-move [as it were] to make.

Ross has made some mistakes and he's/we've paid for them, but the fact still remains he the MFWIC. You want things differently, fork up the $1 B or so and run the team your way...
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I don't know whether it was specifically Ross' fault or not that we didn't get Harbaugh, I don't think anybody except Jim Harbaugh and those really close to him actually know that. The simple fact is that, much like everyone else in this organization over the past many, many years, Ross failed to get the job done. I'm tired of excuses and losing.
Obviously my anger is much more directed towards coaches and personell decision makers, but **** rolls downhill and the guy who hires incompetence deserves blame as well.

As far as your last paragraph goes, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the team's ownership and the way the team is run because I can't "fork over 1B" and do it myself? Unless it's a positive opinion, of course, then I can say whatever I want. Makes sense.
As someone who buys the NFL Sunday Ticket, goes to Dolphins games when they're in town and buys team merchandise, I'm basically a company shareholder who is absolutely entitled to have an opionion. Just like you are.
 
I think Ross is learning how to be an owner, he already know more about business than any of us ever will. I think he will be fine and all he really wants to do is win! He is a free spender so we cant say he's cheap. We are headed in the right direction, just be patient cause thats what it takes.
 
Honestly, I wish Ross would just STFU.

I don't need to hear from him. Just sit in the background and write the checks.
 
insomnia411 said:
I don't know whether it was specifically Ross' fault or not that we didn't get Harbaugh, I don't think anybody except Jim Harbaugh and those really close to him actually know that. The simple fact is that, much like everyone else in this organization over the past many, many years, Ross failed to get the job done. I'm tired of excuses and losing.
Obviously my anger is much more directed towards coaches and personell decision makers, but **** rolls downhill and the guy who hires incompetence deserves blame as well.

As far as your last paragraph goes, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the team's ownership and the way the team is run because I can't "fork over 1B" and do it myself? Unless it's a positive opinion, of course, then I can say whatever I want. Makes sense.
As someone who buys the NFL Sunday Ticket, goes to Dolphins games when they're in town and buys team merchandise, I'm basically a company shareholder who is absolutely entitled to have an opionion. Just like you are.
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The only problem with what's happened is that we are not in the northeast with Boston and NY, maybe Ross tried to take a shortcut with Manning and I believe that Philbin didn't want Flynn and in the corporate world you usually hire the new CEO before you fire the old one hence the JH fiasco.
I think the FO finally settle down and is now building a team based on drafting players, I liked the last 2 drafts and I'm glad that at least we have a chance to have a franchise QB.
The comments from ESPN etc are all based on pundit opinions, I believe Miami will surprise and all of this crap that the team has gone thru is Parcells fault.
He was wrong in everything he did and all the talk is about Ross being the problem.
Parcells left this team in the toilet, he brought in Sporano and Ireland and made all the decisions until he abandoned the team.
Not a word about Parcells total failure, it's all about the guys left behind to clean the mess.
 
insomnia411 said:
Ross failed to hire Jim Harbaugh, kept around a lame duck coach (who you defended to the last day btw) a year too long, and refuses to fire a GM who has proven incapable of putting a winning product on the field.
Sportswriters shouldn't bash him?
I'll wait and see what happens this year, and I hope the outcome is a tremendous 12-4 season and a deep playoff run. That being said, if you're judging past performance, which is all you have to go on at this point, you have to blame incompetence on the guy who hired the incompetent employees almost as much as you blame the coaches and GM.
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Parcells is gone. Move on...
 
Stephen Ross Cracks me up.

The Miami Dolphins have been plagued by many bad news this off-season. It all started with the Miami Dolphins not being able to acquire a star quarterback. After the departure of Marshall, the Miami Dolphins chances of scoring passing touchdowns have greatly diminished. When Jeff Ireland was questioned in regards to the draft he had indicated that there were bigger needs than Quarterback. Ireland did pointed out that he is currently leaning toward drafting an offensive lineman and gave no indication that he was interested in drafting a quarterback. One would question at this very moment of the direction that this franchise is taking; however, this new direction may be a result of a new rule that Stephen Ross has proposed for Quarterbacks. Stephen Ross is now proposing a new rule that limits the amount a Quarterback can throw to 10 times a game. Basically enabling the quarterback to be useless in a game. According to some sources, Stephen Ross is intentionally trying to demoralize the Quarterback position to solve all the quarterback issues that have plagued the franchise since the departure of Dan Marino.
 
Miami's such an easy target for negative news and opinions. I've learned to have pretty thick skin when reading or discussing Miami sports.

What irritates me is that were heading in a much better direction, a direction many of the media would "suggest" we take, I think, but nonetheless, we're still going to get ripped apart or undermined story after story, while other teams with way less chemistry and potential go by unnoticed. Maybe it's a good thing after all, as it gives us something to fight for and protect our namesake, but having to do so every year is getting really old.

It's like that one article weeks ago, some wannabe journalist saying Matt Moore is the 31st best passer in the league. Now I don't put up posters of Matt Moore in my house, but, come on, it's pretty much disrespectful at that point. Everyone KNOWS he's better than that, that's just casual football knowledge.
 
juniorseau55 said:
Stephen Ross Cracks me up.

The Miami Dolphins have been plagued by many bad news this off-season. It all started with the Miami Dolphins not being able to acquire a star quarterback. After the departure of Marshall, the Miami Dolphins chances of scoring passing touchdowns have greatly diminished. When Jeff Ireland was questioned in regards to the draft he had indicated that there were bigger needs than Quarterback. Ireland did pointed out that he is currently leaning toward drafting an offensive lineman and gave no indication that he was interested in drafting a quarterback. One would question at this very moment of the direction that this franchise is taking; however, this new direction may be a result of a new rule that Stephen Ross has proposed for Quarterbacks. Stephen Ross is now proposing a new rule that limits the amount a Quarterback can throw to 10 times a game. Basically enabling the quarterback to be useless in a game. According to some sources, Stephen Ross is intentionally trying to demoralize the Quarterback position to solve all the quarterback issues that have plagued the franchise since the departure of Dan Marino.
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You do know that paragraph you posted came from a story that was an attempt as humor. No truth to that at all.
 
Does he not understand that what Ross said was a good thing? I would usually tell him to shut up, but he basically said that hes fine with Tannehill sitting for the first year and isnt going to force the issue when that was the one major concern when drafting Tannehill... Walker is an idiot.
 
Nublar7 said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/65983/what-fisher-harbaugh-and-flynn-avoided



:rolleyes:

Also, don't miss out on Walker's negative point of view also: http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/42483/its-time-for-dolphins-owner-to-tone-it-down

Can Ross ever say anything and not have people dissect it into a negative story? It is also funny that this story went from Ross saying he thinks Moore will probably start to the video headline on NFL.com being "Moore to start week 1 for Fins".

The bashing of Ross and over analyzing of every little thing he says to make a headline is extremely old. I know myself and others who have taken exception to this lately are considered "homers" and people laugh when they hear that people think the media is out to get one specific team. I am actually starting to think that is indeed the case. Ross made some early mistakes and it seems that people want to keep up the image that Ross is this bumbling idiot that knows nothing about running a football team. There is a huge difference between flying to meet Harbaugh with Sparano still as head coach and him answering a question about who will start and saying he "thinks" Moore probably will. Yet both stories get just as many headlines and viewed almost the same.
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Funny that Ross said all the right things and they still put a negative spin on it. I actually liked the way he answered those questions and handled the situation.

The day Ross wins a superbowl the monkey will get off his back. Jerry Jones does this kind of crap all the time and he never gets negative heat about it, instead they start talking up how the cowboys will win another superbowl...all because he's won a superbowl before.
 
I'm just wondering what Sando will say when Flynn flops in Seattle. He won't praise the Dolphins, I guarantee that
 
Ross is a fan of the Miami Dolphins, just like you and me, in addition to being the owner. He is allowed to speak as a fan, which includes a right to speculate on who the QB will be. But it's the football guys who decide who will start on Week 1. Ross has not said anything to the contrary.

Walker is a desperate reporter. Enough said on that.
 
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