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What Ginn Supporters Didn't Know...

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I remember all the posts over the past year which said the only thing holding Ginn back was Pennington's weak arm. What Ginn supporters didn't know is Pennington was the ideal QB for Ginn because it covered up his inadequacies.

The fact is having a weak armed QB with outstanding accuracy covered Ginn's dismal hands. Most of Ginn's catches are perfectly thrown balls in which Ginn is able to cradle the ball with his body. For example, watch the video below in which Ginn had his best day (7 catches 175 yards. Of course it helped that McGee gave Ginn a big cushion most of the day due to a bum knee and little depth in secondary due to injury.) as a Dolphin against Buffalo last year...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008102604/2008/REG8/bills@dolphins/watch

As you can see these are not plays in which Ginn had to use his hands to make difficult catches, but balls he was able to cradle.

Once Pennington got hurt Ginn's supporters got their wish, a strong armed QB that can rifle the ball deep down the field. Of course, the longer the throw the least likely it will be pinpoint accuracy and the WR will have to rely on his skills (route running, fighting for ball, hands, etc...). This is why Pennington didn't throw deep to Ginn more often, not because he couldn't.

In steps Henne and Ginn now has been given the chance to make plays down the field that his supporters were saying is all he is lacking. The result, drop after drop. The "one" catch Ginn did make with Henne throwing was a perfect over the shoulder pass against the Jets that allowed him to cradle the ball and not rely on his hands.

Not convinced Pennington was Ginn's ideal fit? Here are the numbers to support it.

Ginn's career numbers...

109 catches, 1428 yards, 5 TD, 208 targets (52.4% completion), 13.1 yards per catch, 6.86 yards per attempt


Ginn's numbers with Pennington...

69 catches, 924 yards, 2 TD, 115 targets (60% completion), 13.4 yards per catch, 8 yards per attempt


Ginn's numbers with Henne...

6 catches, 84 yards, 1 TD, 22 attempts (27.2% completion), 14 yards per catch, 3.81 yards per attempt

Ginn's numbers with QBs not named Pennington or Henne...

34 catches, 420 yards, 2 TD, 71 attempts (47.9% completion), 12.4 yards per completion, 5.91 yards per attempt

As you can see from the numbers above having a strong armed QB does not allow Ginn to exceed and fulfill his potential, having a strong armed QB exposes Ginn's weaknesses.

The irony of it all...Ginn's supporters spent all year last year thinking and saying "Wait until we get a strong armed QB to throw to Ginn, then we will really see something special." When what they should have been doing is enjoy Ginn in his heyday and be grateful for a weak armed, but accurate QB so not to expose his inadequacies.
 
Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and I will wear his jersey and support him....

It doesn't matter if he cant catch the football.....have you seen his highlight clips from Ohio St.? You don't know what you're missing...

It doesn't matter if you can find guys on any street corner in America with 4.3 speed that are scared of contact and cant play football....

Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and deserves your support...
 
Interesting stats andrienforces what I call being scared of the ball syndrome that plagues Ginn. While blessed with outstanding talent Ginn has a inbred tendancy to almost blink when catching a fastly thrown ball or anticipating taking a hit. His first sub consious instinct is to blink or cringe which blows his concentration catching the ball. With his outstanding talent and speed he may have gotten away with it in college but in the NFL all weaknesses are exposed. Some things you can coach an athlete to improve on but something like this is darn near impossible to correct. IMO
 
Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and I will wear his jersey and support him....

It doesn't matter if he cant catch the football.....have you seen his highlight clips from Ohio St.? You don't know what you're missing...

It doesn't matter if you can find guys on any street corner in America with 4.3 speed that are scared of contact and cant play football....

Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and deserves your support...

It completely matters if he can catch the football, not only is he getting paid to but we give him the chance to win games/make plays for us and he consistently fails. All that aside, if nothing else he takes up a roster spot.

And if they gave touchdowns and points to college highlights we'd be fine, Ted Ginn would be a force and Jason Allen would be amazing and Pat White unstoppable. But they dont, the only thing that does matter is what he is able to accomplish on that football field in the big boys league. Right now, its not much.
 
Good research, thanks.

My beef with Ginn until Henne took over was that regardless of Pennington's arm strength, he should have been able to do more with the opportunities he had. His "how quick can I hit the mat after making the catch" act got old pretty fast. Same with his Franco Harris style ballerina steps to the sideline.

Now that he has a strong armed QB throwing to him, he's still not doing as much with the opportunities he has as he should. Undoubtedly, a solid #1 or even a solid #2 WR on the other side would help him, but only to an extent. He still has to catch the damn ball and become the kind of player his QB will trust when the game is on the line. I wouldn't blame Henne if he lobbied for Ginn to take a seat for a while... keep shuffling the deck and see if we can come up with a WR combo that's consistently effective.

Obviously this year has been a setback but it doesn't have to be a disaster.
 
Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and I will wear his jersey and support him....

It doesn't matter if he cant catch the football.....have you seen his highlight clips from Ohio St.? You don't know what you're missing...

It doesn't matter if you can find guys on any street corner in America with 4.3 speed that are scared of contact and cant play football....

Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and deserves your support...

Yes I have seen his OSU highlight clips. Those show that his strength was taking short passes and using his speed. Unfortunately for Miami, the NFL plays at much faster speed so guys like Ginn need skills.

I support players that PERFORM and CONTRIBUTE on a regular basis to Miami WINS, not players that continually make bad plays that contribute to Miami LOSSES.
 
Truth of the matter, pennington threw catchable balls. Henne not so much. I dunno if your happy with jus throwing bullets if recievers cant catch em...you arent gonna get first downs by just throwing it anywhere and as hard as you can.you throw it where your receiever can get it and giving them a comfortable catch so you can get some yac..not throw it as far away and as high and as fast and as low as you can in hopes our below avg wrs can make a play on those balls..
 
Yes I have seen his OSU highlight clips. Those show that his strength was taking short passes and using his speed. Unfortunately for Miami, the NFL plays at much faster speed so guys like Ginn need skills.

I support players that PERFORM and CONTRIBUTE on a regular basis to Miami WINS, not players that continually make bad plays that contribute to Miami LOSSES.

Have you never heard of sarcasm?? Check out his name, he is not supporting Ginn, he is making fun of him.
 
Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and I will wear his jersey and support him....

It doesn't matter if he cant catch the football.....have you seen his highlight clips from Ohio St.? You don't know what you're missing...

It doesn't matter if you can find guys on any street corner in America with 4.3 speed that are scared of contact and cant play football....

Ted Ginn is a Miami Dolphin and deserves your support...

WTF, have you seen his highlight the last few game.
No support for him, he cost us too many games already.

Why am I keep typing...wasting my time arguing with someone making stupid points...bye.
 
Who really cares? I am pretty sick of this site being divided between Ginn supporters and non supporters. We should all be supporters even though he does suck.
 
Who really cares? I am pretty sick of this site being divided between Ginn supporters and non supporters. We should all be supporters even though he does suck.
Please the Ginn situation is peanuts compared to how the site was split on Beck.
Chubbs
 
I think you guys are way too hard on him......I bet you guys just bash players without even watching the games or having a clue what you're talking about....

Ted Ginn is the unluckiest WR to ever play in the NFL......he either has a weak armed dart thrower at quarterback or some stud that throws the ball too hard....

Bill Parcells needs to put off fatting 8-irons until he finds this superstar a quarterback who can best utilize Ginn's strengths....
 
Truth of the matter, pennington threw catchable balls. Henne not so much. I dunno if your happy with jus throwing bullets if recievers cant catch em...you arent gonna get first downs by just throwing it anywhere and as hard as you can.you throw it where your receiever can get it and giving them a comfortable catch so you can get some yac..not throw it as far away and as high and as fast and as low as you can in hopes our below avg wrs can make a play on those balls..

Pennington threw flutterballs. He placed them perfectly but leading a receiver thru anticipation and precise timing wasn't exactly his forte.
... hell, even I can return a badminton serve but just might have a little trouble returning one of Andy Roddick's. But that's why I'm not a tennis pro. If your theory is correct, it's really a miracle that the drama queen gunslinger found enough receivers qualified to help him break Marino's record, isn't it?
 
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