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What I believe is really going on with Fisher

Didn't Fisher conduct his interview with Peterson.

I remember early reports that said if Fisher came than Peterson would take over as President since that it would mean he would feel comfortable working with Peterson. I think Fisher coming to Miami would be a huge blow to Ireland.
 
Hey, this is the first thread I've posted about the Fisher situation so bear with me.

Adam Schefter has issued a load of new reports about the Fisher thing as of this afternoon. He says according to Fisher the situation is not at all about money, or some leverage game (which I've been saying for a while). Most importantly, Fisher says neither side has actually even made an offer. Fisher has a series of demands in terms of power and organizational structure. It's not just infamous "final say", it's other stuff involved in the organizational structure, right on down to how many trainers he's allowed to hire. Serious, this comes from Schefter. Fisher reiterated that this is between the DOLPHINS and RAMS, there's no third mystery party he's holding out for.

Here's the reality of the situation, and actually someone I know that's been investigating this and has contacts inside the Fins' front office has confirmed that I have it right. This isn't some secret source I'm trying to hide everyone, it's @KohneysKorner on Twitter, he works in the media and he's got contacts, he and I talk to each other on Twitter a lot, we even have a running bet on who ends up the next Dolphins head coach and if Fisher comes on he owes me a steak dinner at Charley's here in Tampa. Anyway.

Jeff Fisher in all likelihood told both teams his demands in terms of power, organization and promises. Both teams reacted by simply continuing through their list of interviews. They want to have interviewed all potential choices so that they have all of their options on the table and can make a choice whether to give in to Fisher's demands, or go in a different direction. For instance, the Rams are rumored to be pretty excited about Rob Chudzinski and they may decide to go that direction instead of giving in to Fisher's demands.

Everyone's waiting for Fisher to make a decision. But from his point of view, the ball is in the Rams' and Dolphins' courts.

So why do the Dolphins have an advantage? Because I believe that in addition to final say authority and the organizational structure demands, which he has demanded from both teams (and which the Dolphins have NOT agreed to according to Marc Kohn, unlike what NFP reported late last night), he may have demanded some extra promises/concessions from the Rams regarding their potential move to Los Angeles.

What kind of extra concessions? Think about it. When Bill Parcells was hired by Wayne Huizenga, he insisted on a clause being inserted in his contract that says that if Huizenga sells the team, Parcells' contract becomes fully guaranteed, AND he can leave any time he wants. Once Huizenga sold the team, that's exactly what happened, it triggered the clause and Parcells became a free man. He could fulfill the rest of the contract, or he could just walk away, either way he was getting paid and was free to work for anyone else. Interestingly, Parcells decided to keep working for the Dolphins for like a year and a half longer, even though he was essentially working for free (since the money was already his regardless of whether he worked or not).

I think Jeff Fisher probably asked the Rams for the same thing if they move to L.A., and this has freaked the Rams out enough that they want to interview everyone before they decide whether to give in to Jeff's demands.

Think about it. Let's say they the Rams give Fisher the $8 million per year over 5 years contract he's rumored to want. In 2 years they move to Los Angeles because the business opportunity is too good. Suddenly Fisher's contract becomes guaranteed, AND he can walk away. He leaves the team, having already earned $16 million and getting to walk away with another $24 million, and is free to coach any team he wants and start up a new contract. It's no wonder the Rams are reluctant.

This is likely the snag the Rams hit with Fisher. And that's likely why you keep seeing people insist that the Dolphins have a "slight edge".

I think it's perfectly plausible they've not discussed financial terms yet. Based on what people that know Fisher say about him, I absolutely believe that to him the financial part of this whole thing is an afterthought and he takes the view that it'll take care of itself quickly once the bigger stuff is out of the way.

Everyone is waiting for Fisher to "decide" and getting angry at him, but really it's the two teams that have to sh-t or get off the pot. That's my take.


What kind of steak are you going to get?
 
count me also as someone wondering what the heck the hype is about this mccoy character...you went to a offense that fit tim tebows strengths and limited his passing opportunities while your d kept you in games during the win streak primarily...congrats...thats a no brainer

no thanks
 
sorry, no offense, and the post is appreciated.

ALL the "insiders" have contacts. ones they swear by as golden truth.

shefter, king, lacanfora, glazer, etc... ALL have conections "inside" the finz or whoever.

i see the same thing here, still a lot of guessing. example:

Everyone's waiting for Fisher to make a decision. But from his point of view, the ball is in the Rams' and Dolphins' courts

ball is in the rams/dolphins court, in his OPINION. and thats been every nfl writer and media and "insiders" take for a week now.

like i said, its a guess and all nfl pundits have sources and theories. your "source" could be dead on, but its a guess because NO ONE knows except JEFF FISHER, no contact or guru has inside info from his brain.

i dont see anything new. but its as good as anything else right now.
 
Whats the love for Chud?

He called plays for a stud QB? Not impressive in my book, Newton would've been dominate with any OC.
 
Whats the love for Chud?

He called plays for a stud QB? Not impressive in my book, Newton would've been dominate with any OC.

Before Carolina he was in Cleveland. In Cleveland, his QB was Derek Anderson. Derek Anderson, as you may recall, was an awful player who is already out of the league. Derek Anderson is mostly remembered for having a 2/17 passing performance that was the WORST performance by a victorious QB in the history of the NFL.

Rob Chudzinski sent Derek Anderson to the Pro Bowl.
 
Before Carolina he was in Cleveland. In Cleveland, his QB was Derek Anderson. Derek Anderson, as you may recall, was an awful player who is already out of the league. Derek Anderson is mostly remembered for having a 2/17 passing performance that was the WORST performance by a victorious QB in the history of the NFL.

Rob Chudzinski sent Derek Anderson to the Pro Bowl.

No Tom Brady backing out of the probowl sent Anderson to the probowl.

He really didnt have a probowl deserving season anyways, it was all hype by the fans. 19 interceptions doesnt deserve probowl recongnition. He played good but nothing earth shattering.
 
No Tom Brady backing out of the probowl sent Anderson to the probowl.

He really didnt have a probowl deserving season anyways, it was all hype by the fans. 19 interceptions doesnt deserve probowl recongnition. He played good but nothing earth shattering.

Hey, when Dolphins players have made it in because someone else bowed out, I still called them Pro-Bowlers. :)

IMO, it is impressive that he turned that abysmal Cleveland offense into a pretty decent unit and he got a terrible QB playing well enough to actually make it into the PB as an alternate.
 
if its true we lost harbaugh cause ireland was a must stay guy that doesn't surprise me...foolish...but not surprising...

I dont believe this. We lost Harbaugh because he is longtime friends with the 49's GM, and because his wife and children live in San Fran. Simple as that. Its even been said that Harbaugh had committed to SF before Miami was even involved. I doubt it had anything to do with Ireland. We could have had the best GM and owner in the NFL and it wouldn't have changed Harbaugh's mind. He wanted to work with his great friend and be near his family.
 
I dont believe this. We lost Harbaugh because he is longtime friends with the 49's GM, and because his wife and children live in San Fran. Simple as that. Its even been said that Harbaugh had committed to SF before Miami was even involved. I doubt it had anything to do with Ireland. We could have had the best GM and owner in the NFL and it wouldn't have changed Harbaugh's mind. He wanted to work with his great friend and be near his family.

maybe...i used to think that mike lombardi was pretty much spot on with his insider info but the last 2 years at least i've gotten the feeling that he's another guy throwing stuff out to see if it sticks in some instances...for instance can anyone confirm that a few years ago miami was in fact peddling ronnie brown for a second round pick like lombardi said they were??? i've never seen anything that confirms this

i still think though ireland is playin a roll in how much guys want to come here as hc's...its weighing on their minds imo
 
I believe we'd be better off pursuing Kim Kardashian to be our next head coach, she seems to have less commitment issues then Jeff Fisher
 
I dont believe this. We lost Harbaugh because he is longtime friends with the 49's GM, and because his wife and children live in San Fran. Simple as that. Its even been said that Harbaugh had committed to SF before Miami was even involved. I doubt it had anything to do with Ireland. We could have had the best GM and owner in the NFL and it wouldn't have changed Harbaugh's mind. He wanted to work with his great friend and be near his family.

Yeah. That situation was never really in doubt.
 
I dont believe this. We lost Harbaugh because he is longtime friends with the 49's GM, and because his wife and children live in San Fran. Simple as that. Its even been said that Harbaugh had committed to SF before Miami was even involved. I doubt it had anything to do with Ireland. We could have had the best GM and owner in the NFL and it wouldn't have changed Harbaugh's mind. He wanted to work with his great friend and be near his family.

While location may have been a factor I doubt it is quite as simple as that. Why would Harbaugh even agree to meet and have Ross fly from one end of the country to the other if there was no chance of him taking the job ? If Harbaugh thought the Dolphins were a better bet for long term success he'd have made the move I think - I'm sure most people would. The location thing is something that would be put in the public domain because it's a bit more professional than saying you met their front office folks and weren't impressed
 
While location may have been a factor I doubt it is quite as simple as that. Why would Harbaugh even agree to meet and have Ross fly from one end of the country to the other if there was no chance of him taking the job ? If Harbaugh thought the Dolphins were a better bet for long term success he'd have made the move I think - I'm sure most people would. The location thing is something that would be put in the public domain because it's a bit more professional than saying you met their front office folks and weren't impressed

yeah its not like harbaugh brought in ross to use him as leverage in negotiations with the 9ers...he ended up signing a 5 year $25 mil deal (which was peanuts compared to what ross would have given him) to coach the 9ers...i'm betting that the biggest factors in him passing was the stringing out of sparano and him seeing through it and having to take on jeff ireland...i'm sure the west coast thing played into it also but i think he was ultimately turned off by the fact we still had a head coach while we were looking for one and having to take on a guy he didn't know or trust in ireland as his gm...and frankly i can't blame him on either account...ross butchered things with his sparano handling...anyone would take notice
 
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