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As I look back at the season, I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't play Rosen and see what we have. I cant come up with any reasonable explanation other than the organization didn't want to appear to be tanking and they were forced to put Fitz back in.

What if there is no plan to draft a QB because because the staff thinks Rosen is the answer. Is it possible they pulled him out of the line up because our OL sucked and they didn't want to risk losing their franchise QB to a career ending injury?? Is it possible that they didn't want to destroy his confidence by putting him behind center when he didn't have enough time to go through his progressions? Or no support from the run game or receivers??

Im not delusional, I just still cant figure out the logic. Could this be the longest pre-draft smoke screen ever??
 
looking at your avatar, I had no idea Dan Marino had muscle lol.

But I think two things: Either they didnt want to ruin his confidence, or they just kenw he wasnt the guy,.
 
My speculation, given the news of this week...

The rumor is that O Shea was fired because Flores thought the offense was too complex. We heard early in the season that Rosen had struggled with his reads and didn't have the experience necessary to make them. My guess is that Flores realized that Rosen was struggling with the complex system, and that a rookie would schedule as well, so he decided to sit Rosen and ride out the season with Fitz, an cerebral veteran who could grasp the complexities. He knew at that point that he needed a less complex system, and decided to sit Rosen until a change could be made.

Now, with Gailey's spread offense coming in, the offensive system would be more streamline, allowing Rosen (and potential rookies) to focus more on growing as a quarterback in the NFL and less on the nuances of a complex system.

Just my guess
 
srp1979 said:
As I look back at the season, I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't play Rosen and see what we have. I cant come up with any reasonable explanation other than the organization didn't want to appear to be tanking and they were forced to put Fitz back in.

What if there is no plan to draft a QB because because the staff thinks Rosen is the answer. Is it possible they pulled him out of the line up because our OL sucked and they didn't want to risk losing their franchise QB to a career ending injury?? Is it possible that they didn't want to destroy his confidence by putting him behind center when he didn't have enough time to go through his progressions? Or no support from the run game or receivers??

Im not delusional, I just still cant figure out the logic. Could this be the longest pre-draft smoke screen ever??
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There are a number of reasonable explanations. No one knows which one(s) relate to Rosen.
Flo wanted to win and didn't want to wait for Rosen to get up to speed with the system, with a bad OL and no run game.
After Rosen's experience behind the OL, the decision was made to hold him til '20.
They decided they could evaluate his mental grasp in practice.
He sucks.
He needs a less complex system.
Pick any, all, or add some. He costs next to nothing. No damage if he stays through PS and he may thrive under Gailey. I see no need to make a decision yet
 
srp1979 said:
As I look back at the season, I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't play Rosen and see what we have. I cant come up with any reasonable explanation other than the organization didn't want to appear to be tanking and they were forced to put Fitz back in.

What if there is no plan to draft a QB because because the staff thinks Rosen is the answer. Is it possible they pulled him out of the line up because our OL sucked and they didn't want to risk losing their franchise QB to a career ending injury?? Is it possible that they didn't want to destroy his confidence by putting him behind center when he didn't have enough time to go through his progressions? Or no support from the run game or receivers??

Im not delusional, I just still cant figure out the logic. Could this be the longest pre-draft smoke screen ever??
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Dont over think it, Dolphins staff didnt like what they saw with Rosen. The team was totally different when Fitzpatrick came back in. It was a low risk gamble and another dart throw to find a young potential franchise QB. But it just didn't work out.
 
I thought I remember him coming in and lighting it up a bit and a big throw and drop was also part of that. I think he also threw a bad interception but he came in cold if I remember correctly
 
Definitely don't see Rosen as the answer to Miami's QB woes. He showed a willingness to be aggressive, but poor pocket play, some poor decisions and lack of leadership did him in.

The way I see it Fitz flat out won the job. He was put in a difficult situation to begin the season as Grier turned over about 1/4 of the roster heading into week 1 after final cuts and Miami's opponents were Baltimore and New England.

After almost leading Miami to a comeback win against the Skins, the job was his to keep. Personally, I think Fitz played the best QBing I've seen in a Dolphin uniform since Marino given the context.

Whomever Miami drafts at QB this year they should watch and learn before being given a shot to start in 2021.
 
Ren said:
My speculation, given the news of this week...

The rumor is that O Shea was fired because Flores thought the offense was too complex. We heard early in the season that Rosen had struggled with his reads and didn't have the experience necessary to make them. My guess is that Flores realized that Rosen was struggling with the complex system, and that a rookie would schedule as well, so he decided to sit Rosen and ride out the season with Fitz, an cerebral veteran who could grasp the complexities. He knew at that point that he needed a less complex system, and decided to sit Rosen until a change could be made.

Now, with Gailey's spread offense coming in, the offensive system would be more streamline, allowing Rosen (and potential rookies) to focus more on growing as a quarterback in the NFL and less on the nuances of a complex system.

Just my guess
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Hard to say, but that does make sense. As far as how Rosen is valued at this point? I have no idea, but keeping him on the bench and developing him might have been for the best. Unlike Fitz, who can get out of the pocket and can make people miss, Rosen is more of the traditional pocket passer. He might have been sacked 70 times behind this line.
 
Rosen didn't inspire his teammates like Fitz did. Look at the Redskins game - Rosen throws two picks (and is also sacked five times) and the team is going through the motions. Flores inserts Fitz and they almost win the game in an inspired 4th quarter. Fitz elevates his teammates and makes them play hard for him, even with his shortcomings.

Josh just isn't there yet as a person. He's got more growing to do. Most of the year on the bench, in my opinion, helped him rather than being forced through the meat grinder like he was in Arizona. Spending that time on the pine gives you a lot of soul searching. And it's not like Fitz is a bad teammate, he's there for Josh's development as well.

I'm all in on drafting QB high this year (Tua or whoever), but I fully support Josh and I hope he can turn into the answer for us at QB, if it came down to it.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
There are a number of reasonable explanations. No one knows which one(s) relate to Rosen.
Flo wanted to win and didn't want to wait for Rosen to get up to speed with the system, with a bad OL and no run game.
After Rosen's experience behind the OL, the decision was made to hold him til '20.
They decided they could evaluate his mental grasp in practice.
He sucks.
He needs a less complex system.
Pick any, all, or add some. He costs next to nothing. No damage if he stays through PS and he may thrive under Gailey. I see no need to make a decision yet
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The Dolphins gave up a second round pick in 2019 and a fifth round pick in 2020. I have always considered second round picks players who should be able to come in and be solid starters. So I certainly don’t think
the trade for Rosen could be considered giving up, “next to nothing”.
Trading for a players and giving up a 7th round draft pick is what I consider a trade for next to nothing.
 
Ren said:
My speculation, given the news of this week...

The rumor is that O Shea was fired because Flores thought the offense was too complex. We heard early in the season that Rosen had struggled with his reads and didn't have the experience necessary to make them. My guess is that Flores realized that Rosen was struggling with the complex system, and that a rookie would schedule as well, so he decided to sit Rosen and ride out the season with Fitz, an cerebral veteran who could grasp the complexities. He knew at that point that he needed a less complex system, and decided to sit Rosen until a change could be made.

Now, with Gailey's spread offense coming in, the offensive system would be more streamline, allowing Rosen (and potential rookies) to focus more on growing as a quarterback in the NFL and less on the nuances of a complex system.

Just my guess
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Yep, I agree with that. Chan as our OC has definitely been in the works behind the scenes.
 
srp1979 said:
As I look back at the season, I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't play Rosen and see what we have. I cant come up with any reasonable explanation other than the organization didn't want to appear to be tanking and they were forced to put Fitz back in.

What if there is no plan to draft a QB because because the staff thinks Rosen is the answer. Is it possible they pulled him out of the line up because our OL sucked and they didn't want to risk losing their franchise QB to a career ending injury?? Is it possible that they didn't want to destroy his confidence by putting him behind center when he didn't have enough time to go through his progressions? Or no support from the run game or receivers??

Im not delusional, I just still cant figure out the logic. Could this be the longest pre-draft smoke screen ever??
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They did play Rosen. Rosen played about 12 quarters of football (equivalent of 3 games). And Rosen played poorly. He showed he wasn't ready. Flores stated multiple times his goal is to win games. And that was the "logic," to win games.
 
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