What it takes to learn to play QB

[MDFINFAN]

While on the bills site I was reminded of a game that I watch of Jim Kelly's first game as a bill. Mind you he'd had plenty of experience in the usfl prior to comming to the bills. Anyway the fan's statement set me at ease with AJ's first part time year.

I was at that game, too. Yeah, it was very exciting seeing somebody who obviously had great talent behind center.

But recall that even with all his USFL experience he still struggled pretty badly at times that season. Remember how he kept throwing INT after INT right across the middle of the field? It took him half a season to stop doing that. JP might be the next coming of JK and Brett Favre combined, but he definitely is going to struggle badly at times.

It was the same way with Bret farve. I don't know if AJ will get the chance to do what these guys got to do, because the coaches kept them in until they got it. Will Saban be willing to do that with AJ, I don't know..but I hope so, because AJ seems to have that it. And generally you have to support someone like that..Here's to hoping AJ's it, come out and play alot more this year.

 

[merlin00069]

While on the bills site I was reminded of a game that I watch of Jim Kelly's first game as a bill. Mind you he'd had plenty of experience in the usfl prior to comming to the bills. Anyway the fan's statement set me at ease with AJ's first part time year.



Losman "could be" the second coming of Favre/Kelly combined? Wow....just put him into the HOF already. Gimme a break...

 

[SCall13]

While on the bills site I was reminded of a game that I watch of Jim Kelly's first game as a bill. Mind you he'd had plenty of experience in the usfl prior to comming to the bills. Anyway the fan's statement set me at ease with AJ's first part time year.



It was the same way with Bret farve. I don't know if AJ will get the chance to do what these guys got to do, because the coaches kept them in until they got it. Will Saban be willing to do that with AJ, I don't know..but I hope so, because AJ seems to have that it. And generally you have to support someone like that..Here's to hoping AJ's it, come out and play alot more this year.

Leave it to a Bills fan to say Losman will be the next Kelly and Favre combined. :shakeno: That's some serious high praise for a player who has yet to start a game.
AJ Feeley is alot older than a 2 nd year player. His learning curve is diminishing. I'm not saying this because of my personal view of AJ. It's just the truth. This year, I think, will be his last year to prove if he has it. If he doesn't win the QB job this year, then it can almost be a guarantee that he never will.
Stating that any QB will be Kelly and Favre combined is a tall order. Stating that a QB wil be either one period is a tall order. I know we don't have a Favre on our Roster and I doubt that we have a Kelly.

 

[merlin00069]

Leave it to a Bills fan to say Losman will be the next Kelly and Favre combined. :shakeno: That's some serious high praise for a player who has yet to start a game.
AJ Feeley is alot older than a 2 nd year player. His learning curve is diminishing. I'm not saying this because of my personal view of AJ. It's just the truth. This year, I think, will be his last year to prove if he has it. If he doesn't win the QB job this year, then it can almost be a guarantee that he never will.
Stating that any QB will be Kelly and Favre combined is a tall order. Stating that a QB wil be either one period is a tall order. I know we don't have a Favre on our Roster and I doubt that we have a Kelly.

Just what i was getting at. To even suggest that he's the second coming of Kelly is beyond praise. Kelly was a great QB for years. To be honest I think Losman has talent but Kelly he will never be...and Favre? He doesn't even belong thinking he can share the same locker with Favre. If he shows me something and i mean SOMETHING for years then ill start giving him props but i've seen waaaaay to many QB's crash and burn. I mean correct me if im wrong but the Bills have gone through as many QB's as we have since Marino.
Collins...Van Pelt...Flutie...R. Johnson..Bledsoe...just to name a few. Good luck to Losman...he's going to need it.

 

[SCall13]

Just what i was getting at. To even suggest that he's the second coming of Kelly is beyond praise. Kelly was a great QB for years. To be honest I think Losman has talent but Kelly he will never be...and Favre? He doesn't even belong thinking he can share the same locker with Favre. If he shows me something and i mean SOMETHING for years then ill start giving him props but i've seen waaaaay to many QB's crash and burn. I mean correct me if im wrong but the Bills have gone through as many QB's as we have since Marino.
Collins...Van Pelt...Flutie...Bledsoe...just to name a few. Good luck to Losman...he's going to need it.

You're right, they have a longer list of QB flops than we do. That's hard to imagine.

 

[Losman7]

You're right, they have a longer list of QB flops than we do. That's hard to imagine.

Flutie wasn't a flop.

Van Pelt wasn't a flop, he could have been servicable, but he got hurt.

Collins and Johnson were horrible though. Bad.

 

[merlin00069]

You're right, they have a longer list of QB flops than we do. That's hard to imagine.

I guess im justa little sensitive to people giving these huge titles to guys that are 1) not ready for it 2) Can't ever really live up to it 3) Have additional pressure because of it which can hurt them in the long run. I saw the Dolphins try to bring f/a after f/a after late round draft pick trying to bring a successor to Marino and i eventually got beyond tired of it. Which is why i was so Pro-QB before the draft. The only way i had seen that we had not tried yet to being a successful QB here was to commit to one high in the draft, i mean we've taken ever other route. Im glad with the Brown pick but i would have been more pleased with an organization that was looking to be good for 10 years starting now...not 2-3. Wow i went off on a tangent there huh? Doh! Like i said good luck to Losman...'s going to need it. If Billa fans are anything like we are( and i think all football fans are more or less the same as far as patience goes) if Losman doesn't light it up this year they will be calling for his head. I don't care who you are or what team you play for...i hate to see that happen.

 

[merlin00069]

Flutie wasn't a flop.

Van Pelt wasn't a flop, he could have been servicable, but he got hurt.

Collins and Johnson were horrible though. Bad.

Flop isn't a great word to use for them...however you understand my point about naming successors. It's a recipe for disaster, and i hope Losman doesn't go through that. I hope he has 14 great games, and two bad ones against us...and any playoff games as well. :D We too had our share of "servicable" guys who just could never fit the bill. Fielder...Huard...Griese...need i go on? I think not...it actually makes me feel bad to go on.

 

[SCall13]

Flutie wasn't a flop.

Van Pelt wasn't a flop, he could have been servicable, but he got hurt.

Collins and Johnson were horrible though. Bad.

Well, you're right Van Pelt wasn't a flop. He just wasn't really starting material. He was a stop gap type QB and he could play well in spurts. Collins was HORRID. Embarrassingly. And was it just me or did Rob Johnson always look scared to death?

 

[Scrap]

Jim Kelly ? Wasn't it Flutie that was in the USFL, and not Kelly?

 

[merlin00069]

Jim Kelly ? Wasn't it Flutie that was in the USFL, and not Kelly?

Well they both did...Kelly played for the Gamblers in the USFL right out of college where he was a badass might i say(the USFL was offering AFL types of contracts)...Flutie after a stint with the N.J Generals in 86 i believe went to the CFL with Toronto where he was most famous and might i add won a bunch of Grey Cups... :)

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Well, you're right Van Pelt wasn't a flop. He just wasn't really starting material. He was a stop gap type QB and he could play well in spurts. Collins was HORRID. Embarrassingly. And was it just me or did Rob Johnson always look scared to death?

Rob Johnson dominated the state of most sacks per attempt. It was amazing to me that a quarterback would get sacked so often. I used to love it when he was quarterback because Miami could pat their sack statistics. I was sad when he was benched

 

[rafael]

To say that, that QB was good and he threw many ints as a youngster so AJ is fine is incredibly simplistic and inaccurate. What you look for in a QB, even one on a horrible team, is his feel for the game. Kelly, Farve and Young (who is usually the one cited in these discussions) despite their ints showed feel. They showed the ability to improvise. They varied their throws, ie. showed touch when the situation warranted it (even Farve who had a tendency to fire it in quite a bit). AJ hasn't shown that. He has shown the ability to execute a play when it works exactly as it is drawn up. Most NFL QBs can do this. Unfortunately, most NFL plays don't work out that way. The QBs who are good enough to take a team anywhere make enough plays when other parts of the team break down.

 

[jlfin]

Flutie wasn't a flop.

Van Pelt wasn't a flop, he could have been servicable, but he got hurt.

Collins and Johnson were horrible though. Bad.

Van Pelt? Nothing special. Frank Reich wasn't bad. He reminds me of Don Strock; great relief pitcher, brilliant at times, but for some reason couldn't maintain consistency game after game.

 

[jlfin]

To say that, that QB was good and he threw many ints as a youngster so AJ is fine is incredibly simplistic and inaccurate. What you look for in a QB, even one on a horrible team, is his feel for the game. Kelly, Farve and Young (who is usually the one cited in these discussions) despite their ints showed feel. They showed the ability to improvise. They varied their throws, ie. showed touch when the situation warranted it (even Farve who had a tendency to fire it in quite a bit). AJ hasn't shown that. He has shown the ability to execute a play when it works exactly as it is drawn up. Most NFL QBs can do this. Unfortunately, most NFL plays don't work out that way. The QBs who are good enough to take a team anywhere make enough plays when other parts of the team break down.

Did you break down film of all their starts to make your assessment; or are you simply formulating an argument of convenience?