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What Kind of Numbers Would Dan Post in Today's NFL?

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While the countdown to the Super Bowl XLVI will soon go from days to hours, the legendary Dan Marino still laments on not having his Super Bowl ring as commented on recently on the Joe Rose radio show, WQAM-560:

It doesn't bother me as much, but there's no doubt that that's the one thing in my life and in sports, just feeling what that would be like. There's no doubt that there's sometimes I think about that, even today. When I'm watching the Super Bowl, that's going to be coming into my mind for sure. That's just part of life, man. I never had that feeling, and that's the feeling you want to have as a player as you've worked your whole life.”
Marino’s comments come at a poignant time, this being the year that his phenomenal 1984 season was finally outdone. For nearly three decades NFL passers chased Dan’s total yardage output, and in the quarterback friendly era of 2011, Drew Brees finally surpassed the icon by nearly 300 yards. Incidentally, Dan’s touchdown record from that same 1984 historical season was also surpassed by one of this year’s Super Bowl combatants, Tom Brady, just a few years back. Cut another slice of humble pie for Dan, why don’t you!
These days, taking comments like Dan said on Roses’ show to heart, one has to wonder if Dan has delved so deep into the humble pie that he may never cut another commercial for Nutrisystem ever again!
Can Mr. Marino take some solace in the fact that today’s game is just more wide open then ever before? That the rules on pass interference and quarterback protection have changed so much that his record being broken was inevitable? Perhaps. Dan is his own man, and he will choose to feel about things the way he will. Besides, when the question is what type of numbers a young Marino could amass in today’s game, one can only guess on the answer. The same could be said about trying to figure how Brees might have done in 1984.
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As he appeared in Sports Illusrated Magazine
I mean, that’s true, isn’t it? That one could only guess? Well actually no, it’s not true- I was playing around with the numbers from each era separate from each other and considered first how the leaders performed over and above the AVERAGE of all the passers of that era. In other words taking ALL the passers statistics and adding them up and then dividing them by the number of passers, one comes up with the average statistics. For the sake of simplicity I looked at only total passing yards and touchdowns and the top 28 quarterbacks from both years, and calculated 1984 and in 2011, the two relevant years of our focus.
THE AVERAGE NUMBERS

PASSING YARDS
TOUCHDOWNS
1984
2839
18
2011
3528
22
Now here is how the two main quarterbacks from our focus did compared to these averages.

PASSING YARDS
TOUCHDOWNS
DAN MARINO 1984
5084 [+2245]
48 [+30]
DREW BREES 2011
5476 [+1948]
46 [+24]
When first glancing at the numbers, it is interesting to see, by what margin, both these leaders surpassed the averages of their respective days. What’s even more interesting is to take these margins and attach them to each other’s separate era, and to imagine how these players might have faired at a different time:

PASSING YARDS
TOUCHDOWNS
DAN MARINO 2011
5773
52
DREW BREES 1984
4782
42
If you take the margin over the average and add it on to the average of the other year, the results are quite illuminating.
A WORD ABOUT THIS STUDY
I wanted to take the time to make a necessary point here. In case you did not know, this type of reevaluation is NOT meant to be perfect, or the final say. There are many reasons why the study is imperfect. For one, obviously, it was easier to soar above the averages in a year where Dan, in a way, set the standard for the offensive age that would eventually manifest itself. By the time Drew Brees was putting up his numbers, teams and offenses across the board were “catching up” [literally] to the modern game. Of course, one can also construe those comments and give Marino more credit [instead of less] he becoming somewhat of an inventor of the modern game.
And so the debate continues. What one can certainly take from this article is that it is not meant to be the final say, but another perspective and a useful angle to take when comparing these two quarterbacks of different era’s.
Super Bowl memories, as amazing as they are, will eventually fade over time. Mr. Marino can take some solace in his passing statistics that produced memories that will last nearly as long.
Relax Dan, in the land of the Quarterback statistics, you will always be the Lord Of The Rings!
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if marino played today he would smash every record.
 
I think he would only throw for about 4,000 yards with 30 TD's..... after all he is 50 years old.
 
not as good,,defenses are so much more intricate/schemed than ever before,,,,,, ppl exaggerate the new rules(not new,but enforced more), refs can call pi(either on offense or defense) more then they could,and still let things go quite a bit.... ppl also exaggerate muggings back in the day(even rice/irvin laughed at that) like the receivers were being thrown to the ground or something.marino/foutes would not have had the numbers they had
. ... marino took a lot of bad chances and piled up quite a few picks in his time......with much more complicated defenses,id say his numbers would go down all around
 
not as good,,defenses are so much more intricate/schemed than ever before,,,,,, ppl exaggerate the new rules(not new,but enforced more), refs can call pi(either on offense or defense) more then they could,and still let things go quite a bit.... ppl also exaggerate muggings back in the day(even rice/irvin laughed at that) like the receivers were being thrown to the ground or something.marino/foutes would not have had the numbers they had
. ... marino took a lot of bad chances and piled up quite a few picks in his time......with much more complicated defenses,id say his numbers would go down all around
Heresy!:lol:
 
not as good,,defenses are so much more intricate/schemed than ever before,,,,,, ppl exaggerate the new rules(not new,but enforced more), refs can call pi(either on offense or defense) more then they could,and still let things go quite a bit.... ppl also exaggerate muggings back in the day(even rice/irvin laughed at that) like the receivers were being thrown to the ground or something.marino/foutes would not have had the numbers they had
. ... marino took a lot of bad chances and piled up quite a few picks in his time......with much more complicated defenses,id say his numbers would go down all around


almost took you seriously but then found this

you guys do realize that reggie bush is a bust right?? he cant run the ball,and is a dump off catcher out of the backfield.... what he did do well was on special teams,,,but doesnt exist any more for the most part.....


almost.
 
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As long Marino has a young Duper, Clayton, Cefalo, Nat Moore and Rose Rose in the scenario. Without weapons, and the YAC, he would be mere mortal.
 
I think that when you factor in the free-release off the line by the wide-receivers because of the 5-yard restrictions that DBs have to abide by, then that opens up an array of options for a QB in today's game. I think that in itself cancels out the argument of the more sophisticated schemes from defenses today. Let us remember that Marino checked out of probably 75% of the plays that were called. He was acting like a player-coach on the field most of the time.. Marino had to force a lot of balls into tight spaces because the rules back then favored defensive-backs. With the separation wide-receivers are allowed to get today, Marino would not have to force nearly as many balls into tight coverage. Only a player with a cannon for an arm and a quick release could get away with that in the 80's. I don't believe Brees would have the arm strength or the release to match what Marino was capable of doing back then. Not to take away from anything that Drew Brees has accomplished, but today's NFL was made for a guy like Marino. He would be a Cash-Cow for the NFL and the networks because of the astronomical numbers he would put up in today's game...
 
not as good,,defenses are so much more intricate/schemed than ever before,,,,,, ppl exaggerate the new rules(not new,but enforced more), refs can call pi(either on offense or defense) more then they could,and still let things go quite a bit.... ppl also exaggerate muggings back in the day(even rice/irvin laughed at that) like the receivers were being thrown to the ground or something.marino/foutes would not have had the numbers they had
. ... marino took a lot of bad chances and piled up quite a few picks in his time......with much more complicated defenses,id say his numbers would go down all around

Rice and Irvin wouldn't know anything about defensive backs allowed to wipe out or mug receivers. It was very real pre-'78 and particularly pre-'74, before the first wave of rule changes designed to cuddle the passing game.

As a kid I used to watch Curtis Johnson and Tim Foley eliminate receivers at the line of scrimmage as soon as the ball was snapped. That prompted the so-called Isaac Curtis Rule in '74.

I disagree with many of your points but the word exaggeration absolutely applies. In Las Vegas you quickly learn that performance doesn't change significantly, not nearly as much as the bar stool crowd wants to believe. When a star player is out the line might move a few points. When a player is traded to a different team his projected scoring average or home run total doesn't vary much at all. The Pardon the Interruption crowd is enlisted to take the extreme position on every issue, and that's the type of mindset that wants to believe Marino would have passed for 100,000 yards, or whatever. Meanwhile, there are only so many games and snaps. The claims seldom require a logical examination of the burden. Just throw it out there.

I think Marino would have been marginally more effective but his edge over the bulk of the quarterbacks actually would have diminished. The new rules and application of them don't boost the premier guys as much as they bring mediocre quarterbacks to levels they don't deserve. I looked it up a few weeks ago and I think the bottom line was 10 quarterbacks averaged 210 yards or more in 1984, and 23 this season.
 
depends if his coach was an a-hole and took away his ability to audible
like JJ did
 
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