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What kind of offensive scheme would you like to run next season?

I would love to find a way to draft both Warren and Skattebo, and still take advantage of a draft that has so much talent at defensive end and tackle.

I believe Warren and Skattebo could transcend the short-yardage game for the Dolphins. That's probably the biggest issue for this team. Keep the chains moving, win time of possession, and ultimately score more points. Also, keep opposing offenses on the sidelines.

Defensively, Miami ranked in the top 10 despite being low in number of sacks. So, both sides need help.
 
What's odd to me is that when Tua was out and everyone knew we were going to run, and then we committed to the run, we were running for 150yrds a game. Then Tua comes back, theoretically opens the playback back up, we can't run worth a ****. Completely baffling how our run game was non-existant to end the year.
 
What's odd to me is that when Tua was out and everyone knew we were going to run, and then we committed to the run, we were running for 150yrds a game. Then Tua comes back, theoretically opens the playback back up, we can't run worth a ****. Completely baffling how our run game was non-existant to end the year.
It run game disappearance seemed to have more to do with losing Austin Jackson for the season.
 
IMO, the only way for Miami to get better under Grier and McDaniel would be for Grier to actually find a minimum of five good starting o-linemen that can both power-block and zone-block, along with a big power RB and a big, strong WR. And, he needs to stop with the signing and overpaying of injury-prone players.

I don't believe that McDaniel is ever going to change, so he needs to hire an experienced OC to run the offense, call the plays, and basically manage the game since McDaniel doesn't know how. And, they need to mostly do away with all of his finesse garbage and be able to run a smashmouth type of offense and just use that zone crap sparingly, with no more of those dumb behind the LOS negative plays.

However, Grier will never be able to build a competent o-line, and he is hooked on signing injury-prone players. and McDaniel is too stubborn to give up playcalling, and there's no way that a dweeb like him who can't discipline his players is ever going to want a smashmouth style of football. IOW, Miami is screwed until those two are gone.
Last sentence is the truth. We are not going anywhere until they are gone. Do I hope they turn it around? Yes. Do I think they will? No.
 
This is the kind of thread I was waiting for, so thank you for bringing this up. I have been saying for a few years now that I believe you get the best version of Tua by replicating Sean Payton's offense for Brees. West Coast principles. It actually wouldn't be far off of what we do now but there needs to be a change in position importance on the totem pole as well as the kind of players you're bringing in. Tua and Brees are similar players in that they are both shorter, highly accurate, mobility is not a big part of their game, high IQ, etc.

I think you can sacrifice on the BIG $ players like Tyreek and spend that money on making sure the Offensive Line is legit because it all starts with being able to run the ball and pass protection.
Right now, I could consider our offense "top heavy" from a talent standpoint. That should change and there should be "roles" in the offense. During the Payton/Brees duo, you had a bigger body possession guy that would be considered your #1 but nobody technically has to be a #1 or #2 or #3, etc...just acquire DIVERSE talent and put guys in roles that accentuate their strengths. Again, right now, we have 6 slot WR's with varying degrees of speed and blocking abilities...that's about the only different from Tyreek as our #1 to Tahj Washington who we didnt even see play, and everything in between. We need a possession WR to work the middle of the field. An athletic TE that can be a seam buster, red zone, 1 on 1, matchup problem. And then just depth of quality, decent guys. A speedster, a possession guy, and a big TE would all compliment each other. Also a high use of RB's in the pass game lessens the need for such high quality WR talent/money to be spent. Achane is fantastic. Im a Jaylen Wright fan. Only thing missing is a tough, 220-230lb RB that can make you pay and is tough to tackle when it gets cold later in the season.

I think we would all agree the offensive line needs to be solidified. Need a major upgrade at OG. Not saying much here that people probably haven't already thought but it needs to be a group thats an asset, not just one that is "good enough." Patrick Paul, Brewer, and Austin Jackson isn't a bad start(assuming Paul can play) but when we make additions this offseason, one guard better be the best OL on our team and the other cannot be worse than Paul, Brewer, or Jackson.

Run the ball, a lot. Actually be a physical run team, and leave no question about it(Deuce McCallister/Pierre Thomas). Use the RB's in the pass game(Sproles, Bush, Spiller). Earn single high looks and use a ton of playaction. Tua is smart, let him operate pre-snap with some control of the offense and changing things at the line. He's seen enough and been in this offense long enough to take more control of what goes on out there. How the offense spread the ball around this year more is the same kind of target breakdown I'd like to see going forward. I don't care who gets what or how much. Take what the defense is giving you and be efficient. And as for Mike McDaniel, he needs to get away from THAT many screens and swings(with a blocker) and spread out the eligible pass catchers and let Tua and his accuracy go to work as well as getting away from so many -6 yard runs that leave us behind the sticks. Efficient playcalling + a legit Run game + Efficient pass game. No superstars needed, just guys with higher IQ that do at least 1 thing really well to fill roles
Excellent analysis. All starts with OLine and that big, hungry RB!
Do you think Oronde Gadsden Jr. could be successful for us?
I don't know, but Orondo Sr. + Dan Marino might help!
 
Warren is a nice player but remember all the hype with Kyle Pitts? Generational talent? Unstoppable? Worthy of a top 5 pick? A good player, no doubt, but has he been the monster, franchise altering player ppl predicted? Is Warren really that far superior to Pitts?

Very, very few TEs are ever true difference makers to the extent you (and others) are purporting.

At some point one has to recognize not only positional value, but also positional history when assessing the value/cost of using high picks.

Yeah that’s what they said when Detroit took a RB and a TE in the first. Turned out fine. No offense, but comparing Pitts and Warren is just ignorant and I won’t even bother debating it because you obviously haven’t put the work in on Warren. I’ve heard from multiple scouting types claim there are around 15 first round talents in this draft and it’s nearly unanimous Warren is one of those players. You do not take a OT or DB with a 2nd or 3rd round grade in the first because of “positional value”. That’s how you get an Austin Jackson and Noah Igbonoghene.
 
Yeah that’s what they said when Detroit took a RB and a TE in the first. Turned out fine. No offense, but comparing Pitts and Warren is just ignorant and I won’t even bother debating it because you obviously haven’t put the work in on Warren. I’ve heard from multiple scouting types claim there are around 15 first round talents in this draft and it’s nearly unanimous Warren is one of those players. You do not take a OT or DB with a 2nd or 3rd round grade in the first because of “positional value”. That’s how you get an Austin Jackson and Noah Igbonoghene.
Last I saw Iggy he was with Washington. Curious: Is he still on the team and if so, has Quinn gotten anything out of him?
 
Yeah that’s what they said when Detroit took a RB and a TE in the first. Turned out fine. No offense, but comparing Pitts and Warren is just ignorant and I won’t even bother debating it because you obviously haven’t put the work in on Warren. I’ve heard from multiple scouting types claim there are around 15 first round talents in this draft and it’s nearly unanimous Warren is one of those players.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Irrespective of what "scouting types"(whatever that means) say, it does not change the reality of my prior point.

You do not take a OT or DB with a 2nd or 3rd round grade in the first because of “positional value”.
I'm pretty sure I've never suggested any such thing so attributing such a statement to me is simply a false premise.

It is fair to say I have not spent a lot of time on Warren, though calling someone "ignorant" is not really the way to go about civil discussions or a good faith exchange of ideas.

What I'm not ignorant about is the history of the TE position, and how it, generally, has a limited ceiling as far as impact.

But you go ahead and believe "but this guy is different" before ever taking an NFL snap. Fine with me.
 
"He put me in positions where he knows I'm comfortable at -- to help the defense by taking the ball away," Bullock told ESPN. "That was the plan the whole week. Let me hover over the middle and just let me go play ball. On my pick, we knew Tua would look away, but once he threw the ball, he really doesn't look where he's throwing it at, so he wouldn't see me the whole time."


So now you have WRs that have left saying Tua is throwing to spots, and now multiple defenders including this season saying Tua is throwing to places without actually looking.

It's not that crazy it's just a timing based offense. Anticipation is key when you are lacking in arm strength. You can't be the type of QB that sees the field and throws.

So what's a high powered offense look like with Tua?

Requirements:
1. Passing needs to get the ball off quickly to prevent Tua from taking hits.
2. It needs to be anticipatory as Tua cannot throw late/off balance. He does not possess the arm strength.
3. You need the offense to flow through Tyreek and Waddle because they are two of the highest paid WRs in the game.

Now, if you get rid of Tyreek or Waddle, maybe you can think about implementing something else.
Sadly I do not think we have or will have the personnel to run the offense I want. Tougher, more vertical, more straight ahead, more power, etc. WRs probably fine for it, Jonnu Smith could have a role as a #2 pass catching TE, maybe some of the backs, but unclear. Achane can't really although i like him alot just not in that role, no idea what happened with Wright. OL and Tua not really suited to this. Nor do I think is in the DNA of the head coach. So maybe you get some small improvements in this direction, but I think we kind of are what we are. We don't have the personnel to do the other thing, and don't have alot of roster flexibility to change it either.
 
I think you can sacrifice on the BIG $ players like Tyreek and spend that money on making sure the Offensive Line is legit because it all starts with being able to run the ball and pass protection.
This will never happen, because Grier can't build a good, strong o-line, and McDaniel doesn't care about the o-line or a power running game; he just wants small, speedy WRs and a zone running game.
 
The league has obviously caught onto McD's and Tua's little sideshow. I think building an offensive line is paramount if they want to have any success. I would also draft/trade for, or sign a free agent RB that can pound the ball. Establish the run game to set up the pass like they did in the old days. Achane is nice change of pace back, but they need a bruiser. Now I know that is a pipe dream as McD has not shown the capacity to change or adjust to defenses or stick with the running game.
Little sideshow? Now, that's funny.
 
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