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jlfin said:
Actually, a rational person would note that the entire offense was in disarray last season (O-line, aging RB's, O coordinator) and it may have played a role in Henne's performance. He showed promise his 1st season as a starter and many people were eager to see what he could do his 2nd yr. He is now entering his 3rd yr as a starter and many of us are anxious to see how Henne will respond with another offseason under his belt and a new offensive coordinator. If he fails to show improvement, then a change needs to be made. The reality is that great QB's don't grow on trees and there weren't really any significant upgrades over Henne available (I don't believe that Orton was a lock to beat out Henne for the starting job and he would have been a stop gap solution) and this rookie class was unspectacular once Luck decided to return for his Sr season. Carson Palmer would have been an upgrade, but he isn't available (at least not yet).
With respect to his yrs in the league, you bring up Gannon. Actually, a more realistic and fair comparison would be Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. Brees was a BUST his 1st 3 seasons and really turned it on after the Chargers drafted Rivers. Rodgers sat on the bench for 3 yrs while Favre was ruminating his future.
You mention accountability, when in reality you are detached from reality and think that you can get a franchise QB simply by wishing for it. We all demand accountability and our financial support (or lack thereof) will reflect that.
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"Detached from reality." People can make personal attacks like that on this site as long as they are directed at people who question this regime. And you just said that its fair to compare Chad Henne to Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. I see.

I do not believe that you can get a franchise QB simply by wishing for it. I believe you have to go out and get a franchise QB. I believe you have to do this by drafting them (although I think Orton would be a significant upgrade over Henne, just probably not enough to win a championship). Draft one at every opportunity until you get a franchise QB. I believe that without a QB the foundation of the team you're building will collapse behind you as contracts expire, players get older, etc.

Its become clear to me that the people who are defending Henne will never give a timeline on when he has to shine. It will always be "one more year." This is his 4th year in the league. This time next year the same people will be wanting to give him a 5th, and then a 6th.
 
erralyn said:
"Detached from reality." People can make personal attacks like that on this site as long as they are directed at people who question this regime. And you just said that its fair to compare Chad Henne to Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. I see.

I do not believe that you can get a franchise QB simply by wishing for it. I believe you have to go out and get a franchise QB. I believe you have to do this by drafting them (although I think Orton would be a significant upgrade over Henne, just probably not enough to win a championship). Draft one at every opportunity until you get a franchise QB. I believe that without a QB the foundation of the team you're building will collapse behind you as contracts expire, players get older, etc.

Its become clear to me that the people who are defending Henne will never give a timeline on when he has to shine. It will always be "one more year." This is his 4th year in the league. This time next year the same people will be wanting to give him a 5th, and then a 6th.
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You don't know the definition of a 'personal attack'. I gave you my opinion of your post. BTW, I don't believe I defended Henne as much as giving a fair minded analysis of his situation. I actually DID give a timeline and gave a rational reason why.
I understand your frustration, but its just a sport and should be a diversion. I'm old enough to have seen the great success of this team and have watched all of their SB appearances dating back to 1971. It saddens me to see what this franchise became since the emarrassing loss to the Jags, but life goes on.
 
7 wins, 0 losses by week 5. Anything else is unacceptable. I also want him filling any needs on the defensive side of the ball.
 
I'd say one, wishfully, two 4th qtr comebacks to win games. That's the type of thing that would make me believe he is turning the corner. It would take a whole season to see if he turns the corner from last year, IMO.
 
zach attach said:
I'd say one, wishfully, two 4th qtr comebacks to win games. That's the type of thing that would make me believe he is turning the corner. It would take a whole season to see if he turns the corner from last year, IMO.
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I'd rather not be in a comeback position
 
winning would help. cutting back on costly mistakes will help.

As to everyone who says they know chad's ceiling, if one could predict the entirity of someone's career based upon 2 seasons with Dan ****head henning calling the shots....
 
If the coaches let him go for TDs instead of cutting his legs off once we get in FG range. I don't mind FGs cause Carp is one of the best, but Henning/Sparano's lack of confidence in Henne cost us several games. Take the 2nd Buffalo game for instance, Carp had a rare bad game missing 3 FGs and we lost.
 
I've been told that 2 seasons of starting isn't enough to base my opinion that he sucks on, but 5 games is enough to change my opinion? Nope. I need a significant turnaround over the entire season, and our record certainly isn't enough as our defence is good enough to help us possibly break .500. I need far more accuracy, far less staring down, far less checking down (yeah yeah, it was all Henning), much better decision making, far better reads, and FAR fewer INT's; and I need that all over the entire season. Basically I need him to not be Chad Henne.
 
ChambersWI said:
If the coaches let him go for TDs instead of cutting his legs off once we get in FG range. I don't mind FGs cause Carp is one of the best, but Henning/Sparano's lack of confidence in Henne cost us several games. Take the 2nd Buffalo game for instance, Carp had a rare bad game missing 3 FGs and we lost.
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you know, its one thing to think the coaches don't trust him, but then if they don't trust him, why keep him? why not flush him down the toilet with henning? we had oppurtunity to pick up other qbs that they could've trusted.
 
Wildbill3 said:
winning would help. cutting back on costly mistakes will help.

As to everyone who says they know chad's ceiling, if one could predict the entirity of someone's career based upon 2 seasons with Dan ****head henning calling the shots....
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Exactly!
I forgot which game towards the end of last season it was where Henne couldn't get a play off at the end of the game because Henning didn't get it into him.
 
I think what does it really matter, we cant change anything so just root for what we got. Cheering him will make him play better, booing him will just make it worse, do we really want a low confidence henne running the team this year?
 
erralyn said:
The good news for you is that the owner is with fans like you, not fans like me. The regime will never be held accountable for failing to produce a champion.
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If the bulk of NFL fans had YOUR expectations of their teams QB, most t.v.s would be turned off by halftime every sunday.
 
Very interesting thread here. Everyone seems to be saying pretty much the same thing and arguing about it. Henne needs to improve. He needs to instill confidence in his team mates and fans. He needs to make more plays and fewer errors. He alone cannot account for a win loss record. The only debate here seems to be those who think he's had enough opportunities and those who think he needs another season. If he plays poorly this year, I think we all will be ready to go in another direction.
 
if henne can get it together during crunch time consistently for an entire year. otherwise, draft a qb first round. trade the 2nd if you have to.
 
erralyn said:
You rest your case about what? You agree with me that Henne's defenders will never stop defending him? This is his 4th year in the NFL. Are we supposed to stick around for a Rich Gannon-like transformation 6 years from now? Personally I don't give a **** whether he morphs from an atrocious QB to an average QB because in today's NFL that's what not what a team needs to win a Super Bowl (with rare exceptions, mostly in previous NFL eras). He's not going to become a very good to great QB and that's what matters to me.

The worst thing that could happen is for him to make a small amount of improvement, but just enough for people to go "Oh, he's really getting it NOW. Let's keep him another year and reap the rewards," because that small amount of improvement is probably his upper boundary.

What would be enough for him to convince me he's a good QB? 30 TDs, 15 INTs, 3500 yards. 11 wins in regular season and 1 playoff win.
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That is just one god awful post.
 
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