What will the AJ haters do...

[Boik14]

I can just hear it now ... Damn Saban is an idiot trading for Rivers, a two year backup with no experience.

By the way I agree I think our front 7 will be very good, and I think we can do more damage than people think we will. With WHOEVER wins the starting QB job. Im not saying give it to Feeley ... BUT if he wins it then he earned it.

Are you kidding? I love Rivers. I thought he wa sthe best qb to come out last year. if he found a way to acquire him Id be elated despite his lack of experience. Lack of experience also means you cant pass judgement on a player; for me I was against the AJ trade from day 1 cause i felt that Philly protected his weaknesses really well and that his lack of pocket prescense and ability to read D's would come out if he started. Sure enough....

As far as the front 7; im looking foward to watch us hit some people in the mouth. This is not the speed based read and react D we're used to seeing. I think this is gonna be a pretty lunchpail type group that will be the aggressor and force mistakes much more so than in the past.

 

[Wagon Circler]

For your guys' sake I hope Feeley plays no worse that average. It's a real stomach turner to see you've got a very good and competitive team led by a very weak QB. After watching Bledsoe for 16 games I wouldn't wish this fate upon any team, except for the cowboys who picked his lowly *** up.

 

[Boik14]

And the biggest argument you get with the fact that he is not a good starter is that half of the people on the board dont even count last year as being a realistic evaluation of anyone's talent who was on offense. I mean everyone looked horrible.

Even if you dont count last season; he didnt look like any bargain in philly either throwing screens and swings all day to mask the fact he cant read coverages or sense the rush.

 

[DrAstroZoom]

I'm already on record as saying that I hope I'm wrong about AJ: http://www.finheaven.com/cms/139.html

Way to pimp that column, my brother. :wink:

 

[Omaha_Dolfan]

Are you kidding? I love Rivers. I thought he wa sthe best qb to come out last year. if he found a way to acquire him Id be elated despite his lack of experience. Lack of experience also means you cant pass judgement on a player; for me I was against the AJ trade from day 1 cause i felt that Philly protected his weaknesses really well and that his lack of pocket prescense and ability to read D's would come out if he started. Sure enough....

As far as the front 7; im looking foward to watch us hit some people in the mouth. This is not the speed based read and react D we're used to seeing. I think this is gonna be a pretty lunchpail type group that will be the aggressor and force mistakes much more so than in the past.

Oh I would be excited as hell with Rivers also and I agree I think he was the best QB to come out either last year or this year. But you know as much as I do ... someone would complain lol. No way to make everyone happy especially when your as picky as us Fin Fans are.

And I agree on the D also, cant wait till they lift the floodgates and bring the house on a jailbreak to the QB.

 

[gonick1]

Dude, I'm sorry, if you'd rather have a player screw up so you can say "I told you so", rather than have that player be productive to help us win, then you're not a Miami Dolphins fan. Read what I wrote and think about it.

[Edited to include the following:] If you'd have ever read any of my posts on this topic, you'd know I have no opinioin as to how he will turn out, one way or the other. I'm neither a "hater", nor a "lover". The principle I stated is correct, regardless of which side you are on.

Did you just call me "dude"? I'm not 13-14 yrs old I aint no cowboy and I sure as heck aint a pimple on a donkey's schlong so you may call me stu,gonick1 or Daddy. but dont ever call me dude again. thanx-STU

 

[Boik14]

Oh I would be excited as hell with Rivers also and I agree I think he was the best QB to come out either last year or this year. But you know as much as I do ... someone would complain lol. No way to make everyone happy especially when your as picky as us Fin Fans are.

And I agree on the D also, cant wait till they lift the floodgates and bring the house on a jailbreak to the QB.

Of course not everyone will agree; even wanny seems to have his defenders on this board and if we cant all agree on that nothing will ever be fully agreed upon. What I was saying was that I understand that young qbs take time to develop its just that AJ has had a few years watching and some PT. He does nothing for me as a starter; i hope im wrong.

Man I cant wait to see a blitz though. It'll be the 1st time in how many years? :tongue:

 

[Omaha_Dolfan]

Even if you dont count last season; he didnt look like any bargain in philly either throwing screens and swings all day to mask the fact he cant read coverages or sense the rush.

BUT, he was good enough to win in pressure situations, during a playoff run. Means he has some composure ... doesnt matter what type of passes he threw. We have enough weapons on offense to be a threat if the OLine gives our QB some time to throw the ball.

And a big thing here, better play calling. I mean with the last Dolphin Regime how many of us fans KNEW that Fiedler couldnt throw the out pattern ... yet how many times did the OC keep calling that play? Linehan will tailer the offense to what we have and play to their strengths not their weaknesses.

 

[Boik14]

Did you just call me "dude"? I'm not 13-14 yrs old I aint no cowboy and I sure as heck aint a pimple on a donkey's schlong so you may call me stu,gonick1 or Daddy. but dont ever call me dude again. thanx-STU

Oh god LOL. That made my day. I need to keep the laughter down before my boss hears :eek:

 

[djfresh47]

I think the term Aj hater, and Aj lover is absolute garbage. Most people here wanna see the Phins succeed, but because they doubt a players ability they're labeled a hater. What are Aj fans gonna do if Gus beats him for the starting job? Probably the same thing people pulling for Gus to start do if Aj beats him for the starting job. I personally think that Phins QB situation is terrible. Aj does not have to light it up but he's gotta be better than average to even give the Phins a chance to compete for the playoffs. The Bills with a top notch D, and it is better than the Phins, a very solid running game, 2 very good WR's, an offensive line which finished the year much better than they started it could not make the playoffs because they had a mediocre Qb. Trying to win in spite of Qb is not something I think teams can do anymore, Baltimore did win a SB with Dilfer, but I don't think that will happen in the NFL now. I'll go back to the saying, "if you've got 2 QB's trying to start, ya really don't have a starting Qb."

 

[phinsforever]

It's probably going to come down to drafting a new QB after this season. Saban couldn't do everything this time around, but he is on the right track. He came into a pretty rough situation. I think the most important thing for the fins right now isn't winning in '05, rather building a strong foundation for the near future.

The jury is still out on AJ. If you base your judgements on last year's play then it is proof positive YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about football. No QB could have excelled in last year's season. Not even a Montana or MArino. People who didn't follow last season closely and make generalisations about our players are just plain ignorant. We had the most tumultuous Offseason in the history of pro sports, a coach who had absolutely no clue how to run an offense, an O-line that played so poorly they coukld have been replaced by a mediocre college team and been more effective, a change in head coaches mid season, and a slew of injuries. These are not excuses. They are just facts.

This doens't mean that AJ is going to be the next great QB in the NFL, but he did some positive things and there were some encouraging signs. He has a decent arm-good strength and solid accuracy- and can make a lot of throws. His biggest problem is decision making, and it remains to be seen whether he can improve. A better line, RB, and most importantly competent coaching could make all the difference. I think he deserves a full season to show his worth.

And it would be remiss on my behalf if I didn't mention how fundamentally hypocritical it is for a Bills fan to come on this thread and start dumping on our QB. Time to wake up and come back from dreamland WagonCircler. Your starting QB is JP Losman, otherwise known as the second coming of Ryan Leaf.

 

[Boik14]

BUT, he was good enough to win in pressure situations, during a playoff run. Means he has some composure ... doesnt matter what type of passes he threw. We have enough weapons on offense to be a threat if the OLine gives our QB some time to throw the ball.

And a big thing here, better play calling. I mean with the last Dolphin Regime how many of us fans KNEW that Fiedler couldnt throw the out pattern ... yet how many times did the OC keep calling that play? Linehan will tailer the offense to what we have and play to their strengths not their weaknesses.

No he was good enough not to lose in those pressure situations. I dont like any QB where you have to say "just dont lose the game for us". I want a qb you can say "down by a TD with 2 mins to go; go win it for us." It doesnt need to be an all star, it just needs to be a qb with intelligence, heart and enough skill to win. Again, I dont feel thats AJ.

The out pattern ill agree there; but its a basic route that needs to be in there somewhere. I dont recall it being there as much in 03.

 

[ch19079]

they will finaly wake up from their sleep and realize the season hasn't started yet.. :nana:

 

[Wagon Circler]

The jury is still out on AJ. If you base your judgements on last year's play then it is proof positive YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about football. No QB could have excelled in last year's season. Not even a Montana or MArino. People who didn't follow last season closely and make generalisations about our players are just plain ignorant. We had the most tumultuous Offseason in the history of pro sports, a coach who had absolutely no clue how to run an offense, an O-line that played so poorly they coukld have been replaced by a mediocre college team and been more effective, a change in head coaches mid season, and a slew of injuries. These are not excuses. They are just facts.

This doens't mean that AJ is going to be the next great QB in the NFL, but he did some positive things and there were some encouraging signs. He has a decent arm-good strength and solid accuracy- and can make a lot of throws. His biggest problem is decision making, and it remains to be seen whether he can improve. A better line, RB, and most importantly competent coaching could make all the difference. I think he deserves a full season to show his worth.

And it would be remiss on my behalf if I didn't mention how fundamentally hypocritical it is for a Bills fan to come on this thread and start dumping on our QB. Time to wake up and come back from dreamland WagonCircler. Your starting QB is JP Losman, otherwise known as the second coming of Ryan Leaf.

What the hell is this onslaught? I post I hope AJ does well for your sake and you attack me? Come on guy.

If you say you'd rather have Feeley than Losman at this point you are just moronic. That is beyod homerism. Losman the next Leaf? Wow this couldn't be more off base. Ryan Leaf was a lazy, immature fool who didn't put forth the time or effort needed to be a successful QB. Losman doesn't get a lot of media attention, so people don't know anything about him. People like you. You obviously have no idea who Losman is or what he has done to prepare for the job.

The small amout of media attention he gets has all been very positive. Sportscenter even did a segment on him not too long ago. Read this and you will see how asinine your Losman/Leaf comparison is.

 

[Phishstix]

I think the term Aj hater, and Aj lover is absolute garbage. Most people here wanna see the Phins succeed, but because they doubt a players ability they're labeled a hater. What are Aj fans gonna do if Gus beats him for the starting job? Probably the same thing people pulling for Gus to start do if Aj beats him for the starting job. I personally think that Phins QB situation is terrible. Aj does not have to light it up but he's gotta be better than average to even give the Phins a chance to compete for the playoffs. The Bills with a top notch D, and it is better than the Phins, a very solid running game, 2 very good WR's, an offensive line which finished the year much better than they started it could not make the playoffs because they had a mediocre Qb. Trying to win in spite of Qb is not something I think teams can do anymore, Baltimore did win a SB with Dilfer, but I don't think that will happen in the NFL now. I'll go back to the saying, "if you've got 2 QB's trying to start, ya really don't have a starting Qb."

good post. imo we have one of the worst qb situations in the league, and it's gonna take a monster come-up by feeley (i'm talkin fringe pro-bowler stats) to be worth the money that is due to come to him next year. i don't hate the guy, and i don't think that a lot of other people hate the guy, but imo the people who see potential in him are over-sensitive, and likewise for the poeple who don't see potential in him. the scenario that i see is more likely is that gus was brought in as a holdover b/c the staff isn't too enthused with feeley, and our next qb will be acquired in the '06 draft.