What will the AJ haters do...

[Agua]

Did you just call me "dude"? I'm not 13-14 yrs old I aint no cowboy and I sure as heck aint a pimple on a donkey's schlong so you may call me stu,gonick1 or Daddy. but dont ever call me dude again. thanx-STU

So you've got no substantive response to my post, then, eh?

Next time, try comprehending what you read before starting with the "don't you ever" garbage as you did in your response to my initial post in this thread.

 

[dolphinman23]

No he was good enough not to lose in those pressure situations. I dont like any QB where you have to say "just dont lose the game for us". I want a qb you can say "down by a TD with 2 mins to go; go win it for us." It doesnt need to be an all star, it just needs to be a qb with intelligence, heart and enough skill to win. Again, I dont feel thats AJ.

The out pattern ill agree there; but its a basic route that needs to be in there somewhere. I dont recall it being there as much in 03.

and u think Gus "im out this season because im a idiot" ferotte will do better?

I agree with other posters about how last year was a unfair evaluation. I mean, if we are measuring people by last years offensive performance, CC is a 3rd rate WR, out OLine is a bunch of practice squad players, and our running backs need to all be cut.

Heres why we had a bad season...

1) Coaching We had a OC who was just thrown in there, and who had no idea what he was doing, and a HC who knew he job was over the day he got the call from ricky.

2) Injuries/Quitters -- probowl RB, quit, probowl DT, injured, chester injured, david boston (who at the beginning of the season was titled as the second coming of christ it seemed like), zach and junior missed some games, O-gun was traded.

Feeley and fiedler were just along for the ride last year, neither looked good, but fiedler has realized his potential, hes a good back up who was starting, hes 31, hes done... feeley is 28, and showed signs of being a starting QB(not a probowler, not a HOF, but a starter).

In all honesty if u threw brady in our offense last year he wouldve sucked, i mean we tried to run the ball like we had ricky and then 3rd and long give the QB a shot, it was ridiculous, and all this calling for AJs head in mid may when mini camps and training camps havent even started is dumb, we should be all positives after this offseason, especially after the train wreck that was last offseason. truth is AJ did not get his fair shot, he will this year, and our rebuilding process starts with a 7-9, or 8-8 year, if u think ferotte could lead us to the SB u are in fantasy land

 

[phinsforever]

What the hell is this onslaught? I post I hope AJ does well for your sake and you attack me? Come on guy.

If you say you'd rather have Feeley than Losman at this point you are just moronic. That is beyod homerism. Losman the next Leaf? Wow this couldn't be more off base. Ryan Leaf was a lazy, immature fool who didn't put forth the time or effort needed to be a successful QB. Losman doesn't get a lot of media attention, so people don't know anything about him. People like you. You obviously have no idea who Losman is or what he has done to prepare for the job.

The small amout of media attention he gets has all been very positive. Sportscenter even did a segment on him not too long ago. Read this and you will see how asinine your Losman/Leaf comparison is.

Losman had plenty of media attention. And if memory serves me correctly, a lot of folks were saying he has A MAJOR ATTITUDE problem. Jills fans have tried to blow this over by saying he is just confident. Well, I've read plenty of things about Losman, and it is not confidence; it is outright immaturity. Leaf had all the tools but didn't have a handle on the mental aspects of beign a professional. When I see and read about Losman, I am reminded about the same thing.
A few days ago, a bunch of SPILLS fans came onto this site to praise the virtues of Losman, and pulled out a bunch of quotes from Moulds, the coach, O coordinator to back up their statements of his greatness. I know the difference between lip service and truth. I was never that impressed with Losman, and I think he crash severely. I'm sorry if this upsets you terribly-no hard feelings. In truth, nothing could make this Dolfan happier if JP Losman starts the entire season.:wink:

 

[Omaha_Dolfan]

and u think Gus "im out this season because im a idiot" ferotte will do better?

LOL, I think Gus was an excellent stop gap pickup. If Feeley struggles Gus knows the system and will be the servicable QB (hopefully). It will all work itself out in Training Camp. Although I laughed my arse off when he did headbutt the wall he may end up being our Starting QB.

 

[jlfin]

I think the better, more relative question is what are all you AJ lovers gonna do when Brock and Sage beats out AJ, and he is cut. Don't worry about all those AJ haters. They will be OK when the season starts and Gus is the starter.

The trap was baited and set and BAM you jumped right in.

 

[DrAstroZoom]

and u think Gus "im out this season because im a idiot" ferotte will do better?

I agree with other posters about how last year was a unfair evaluation. I mean, if we are measuring people by last years offensive performance, CC is a 3rd rate WR, out OLine is a bunch of practice squad players, and our running backs need to all be cut.

Heres why we had a bad season...

1) Coaching We had a OC who was just thrown in there, and who had no idea what he was doing, and a HC who knew he job was over the day he got the call from ricky.

2) Injuries/Quitters -- probowl RB, quit, probowl DT, injured, chester injured, david boston (who at the beginning of the season was titled as the second coming of christ it seemed like), zach and junior missed some games, O-gun was traded.

Feeley and fiedler were just along for the ride last year, neither looked good, but fiedler has realizaed his potential, hes a good back up who was starting, hes 31, hes done... feeley is 28, and showed signs of being a starting QB(not a probowler, not a HOF, but a starter).

In all honesty if u through brady in our offense last year he wouldve sucked, i mean we tried to run the ball like we had ricky and then 3rd and long give the QB a shot, it was ridiculous, and all this calling for AJs head in mid may when mini camps and training camps havent even started is ******ed, we should be all positives after this offseason, especially after the train wreck that was last offseason. truth is AJ did not get his fair shot, he will this year, and our rebuilding process starts with a 7-9, or 8-8 year, if u think ferotte could lead us to the SB u are in fantasy land

To put it another way, here are five QB-enhancing factors we're reasonably sure will be in place this season.

1) We WILL have better offensive line play. Hudson Houck has a proven track record in this regard.

2) We WILL have more production from our featured running back.

3) We WILL have a unified coaching staff.

4) We WILL have a less predictable offensive game plan.

5) We WILL have an attacking defense that is more likely to give us better field position.

Will this be enough to elevate A's play to an acceptable level? Only time will tell. But to say we've already seen the best AK can do is ludicrous. These five factors will make him better. How much better remains to be seen.

 

[Boik14]

and u think Gus "im out this season because im a idiot" ferotte will do better?

I agree with other posters about how last year was a unfair evaluation. I mean, if we are measuring people by last years offensive performance, CC is a 3rd rate WR, out OLine is a bunch of practice squad players, and our running backs need to all be cut.

Heres why we had a bad season...

1) Coaching We had a OC who was just thrown in there, and who had no idea what he was doing, and a HC who knew he job was over the day he got the call from ricky.

2) Injuries/Quitters -- probowl RB, quit, probowl DT, injured, chester injured, david boston (who at the beginning of the season was titled as the second coming of christ it seemed like), zach and junior missed some games, O-gun was traded.

Feeley and fiedler were just along for the ride last year, neither looked good, but fiedler has realized his potential, hes a good back up who was starting, hes 31, hes done... feeley is 28, and showed signs of being a starting QB(not a probowler, not a HOF, but a starter).

In all honesty if u threw brady in our offense last year he wouldve sucked, i mean we tried to run the ball like we had ricky and then 3rd and long give the QB a shot, it was ridiculous, and all this calling for AJs head in mid may when mini camps and training camps havent even started is dumb, we should be all positives after this offseason, especially after the train wreck that was last offseason. truth is AJ did not get his fair shot, he will this year, and our rebuilding process starts with a 7-9, or 8-8 year, if u think ferotte could lead us to the SB u are in fantasy land

Hell yes I think Gus can do a hell of a lot better. hes already proven in Minny he knows linehans system (118 rating and 7/2 int ratio over 3 games); hes proven he can manage a game without gift wrapping it for the other team, he can throw a better deep ball, his mechanics and pocket awareness are better. So ya theres nothing he cant do as well or better than AJ except throw pick 6's.

As far as the rest of that rant:
1) Our HC was an idiot no argument there and there was definitely a struggle for power between he, trestman and sullivan.
2)As far as RW and D-Bo, we had all of training camp to prepare for that. Injuries are never an excuse. You play with what you have and leave it on the field the lack of effort and fundamentals there was obvious all around. However you misspoke on Ogun; he was traded for Booker which if anything would have helped the offense. The D was playing like crap even with Timbo and Chester. Either way how are you relating those 2 to why AJ blew last year?
3) AJ showed few if any signs of being a starter. He threw a half dozen pick 6's (most in 1 season by a qb; and thats in limited time), he showed poor pocket awareness, poor decision making, an inability to read coverages especially underneath and he just made some flat out dumb plays like the throw vs seattle that was pick 6'ed with under a minute to go. Hes been in the league long enough to know you dont throw the ball while being sacked. That play was plummer esque only AJ was so bad last year that being Plummer-esque would be a compliment.

Finally dont mention qbs like brady in the same breath as AJ. They make the players around them better. Guys like Brady make their team better. They make due with what they have and improvise accordingly. For instance if you know your OL sucks dont force a play; throw it away or run with it dont just chuck it up there. I dont think Gus will take us to the SB but hes a hell of a lot smarter and hes experienced. I do think he can get us to 8-8 or 9-7 though and post a good TD/Int ratio. His career numbers arent impressive but theyre way ahead of AJ's and something obviously clicked for him in minny cause he played very good football.

 

[jlfin]

For your guys' sake I hope Feeley plays no worse that average. It's a real stomach turner to see you've got a very good and competitive team led by a very weak QB. After watching Bledsoe for 16 games I wouldn't wish this fate upon any team, except for the cowboys who picked his lowly *** up.

You call critics of Losman uninformed. Truth is, you know next to nothing about Feeley. You are just as much of a homer as some of the phins fans on this page. I'm not suggesting that Feeley is better than Losman. In fact, I don't know enough about either of them to predict how they will do this season (neither do you).
It's the same when your fellow Bills fans and Pats fans say this team has no talent on the O-line. I would venture to say that this team has younger and better prospects on the O-line than any team in the AFC East.

 

[rainmaker1313]

In response to saying Feeley can throw downfield...

I am NOT trying to start anything or say Feeley can't throw downfield...BUT...look at his stats of passes over 20 yards...compare them with Fiedler (who had the same line and running game so don't use that). Fiedlers are much better. Where did this notion that AJ was a monster at the long ball come from? He hardly had anything down the field last year. Could someone tell me if he did this in Philly often or something because there are quite a few stats that show Jay being better.

And don't give the Jay threw short balls that turned into big plays...the numbers are substantially different, more than 2-3 small balls turned into big plays.

You try finding someone 40 yards downfield within 2 seconds of the snap before opposing linebackers are getting ready to make you eat dirt!

 

[rainmaker1313]

Did you just call me "dude"? I'm not 13-14 yrs old I aint no cowboy and I sure as heck aint a pimple on a donkey's schlong so you may call me stu,gonick1 or Daddy. but dont ever call me dude again. thanx-STU

WHOA Dude, that was great dude! A pimple on a donkey's sclong Dude, now that is funny dude! You are one funny dude! And I wouldnt want to mess with you dude! You say it how it is and seem to be one bad dude!

 

[Wagon Circler]

Losman had plenty of media attention. And if memory serves me correctly, a lot of folks were saying he has A MAJOR ATTITUDE problem. Jills fans have tried to blow this over by saying he is just confident. Well, I've read plenty of things about Losman, and it is not confidence; it is outright immaturity. Leaf had all the tools but didn't have a handle on the mental aspects of beign a professional. When I see and read about Losman, I am reminded about the same thing.
A few days ago, a bunch of SPILLS fans came onto this site to praise the virtues of Losman, and pulled out a bunch of quotes from Moulds, the coach, O coordinator to back up their statements of his greatness. I know the difference between lip service and truth. I was never that impressed with Losman, and I think he crash severely. I'm sorry if this upsets you terribly-no hard feelings. In truth, nothing could make this Dolfan happier if JP Losman starts the entire season.:wink:

Be careful what you wish for.

He has no attitude problem. Either you are an ultra conservative or you are talking out of your behind. TO and Moss have a "MAJOR ATTITUDE PROBLEM" I can't really argue with you because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. You are a homer in the worst way. Putting down other teams players for no other reason than them playing for a dolphin rival is utterly ridiculous. You, nor anyone else knows how Losman will do in the NFL. However, his work ethic and promise are undeniable.

 

[Wagon Circler]

You call critics of Losman uninformed. Truth is, you know next to nothing about Feeley. You are just as much of a homer as some of the phins fans on this page. I'm not suggesting that Feeley is better than Losman. In fact, I don't know enough about either of them to predict how they will do this season (neither do you).
It's the same when your fellow Bills fans and Pats fans say this team has no talent on the O-line. I would venture to say that this team has younger and better prospects on the O-line than any team in the AFC East.

What do you mean truth is I know next to nothing about Feeley? How is this the truth? How can you even say something like this, you don't even know me. I've seen Feeley play a lot and Losman has yet to start. At least I have some basis of criticism. You Losman bashers have nothing.

 

[Sal Lisitano]

Be careful what you wish for.

He has no attitude problem. Either you are an ultra conservative or you are talking out of your behind. TO and Moss have a "MAJOR ATTITUDE PROBLEM" I can't really argue with you because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. You are a homer in the worst way. Putting down other teams players for no other reason than them playing for a dolphin rival is utterly ridiculous. You, nor anyone else knows how Losman will do in the NFL. However, his work ethic and promise are undeniable.

and how do you know this? he has no attitude problem? that was the biggest knock on him coming out of college...that he was a little baby (not in those exact words) and that he acted like a pre-madonna (not in those exact words) but you get the point...I hope. If you didn't hear this...or know about this I'll be really suprised. Funny how most of you Bills fans are selective and only remember what you want to remember. You are a homer in the worst way...how are his work ethic and promise undeniable...so you even follow him every where he goes? You don't know what he does...every second of the day (well I hope you don't )

Go Fins!!!

 

[Sal Lisitano]

What do you mean truth is I know next to nothing about Feeley? How is this the truth? How can you even say something like this, you don't even know me. I've seen Feeley play a lot and Losman has yet to start. At least I have some basis of criticism. You Losman bashers have nothing.

Oh yes...you have seen him play a lot...behind our great o-line last season...and behind our great running attack...and behind our great plays that our o-co called...c'mon if you didn't see all that you must be blind. A.J. had no chance...and he never pointed the finger...he did show that he could be a leader...IMO. You are the blind person if you didn't see this. When we had a so-so running game that kept a little pressure off A.J. and when our o-line acutally played okay...he didn't look to bad.

Go Fins!!!

 

[DrAstroZoom]

Be careful what you wish for.

He has no attitude problem. Either you are an ultra conservative or you are talking out of your behind. TO and Moss have a "MAJOR ATTITUDE PROBLEM" I can't really argue with you because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. You are a homer in the worst way. Putting down other teams players for no other reason than them playing for a dolphin rival is utterly ridiculous. You, nor anyone else knows how Losman will do in the NFL. However, his work ethic and promise are undeniable.

Things may have improved, but I just have to share. I did a Yahoo search with "Losman+attitude" as the criteria, and the following Bills Zone post is the first thing that came up. This, I presume, is from a Bills fan:

JP Losman on ESPN's Outside The Lines

Anyone else see the 10 minute clip on JP Losman on ESPN's Outside The Lines last night?

I won't comment on the guys style of play, because I can't really say that I've seen him play this year, but...... his attitude stinks :down:

There is a distinct line between arrogance and ****iness. Losman has jumped over both right into d*ckheadedness. First of all he tells the camera about the insult he paid directly to Ben Rothlisberger's face, then he insults Manning on national TV without Eli even standing there able to defend himself.

The clips of him studying the playbooks and the NFL lingo make him look like a complete nimrod, and the video of him competeing against Rivers really doesn't even rank him in the same class of QB. He loved comparing himself to Brett Favre. He thinks he has the same abilities that Favre has....I'm not too sure.

Some points of interest.....Losman was quoted saying that Favre and him played golf together, and the Packer QB coach and Mike Sherman were seen speaking to Losman in several unofficial meetings on and off the field during his multiple workouts.

The one thing that I can give him is that he has a hell of a lot of confidence in himself and a **** load of determination. Though, I didn't get the feeling that this kid is a NFL powder keg, I did get the strange feeling that he is going to get into some serious trouble after he signs a contract with some sorry *** team.

Oh, and one more thing....he also openly admitted to using Creatine. I'm not all that familiar with the NFL strength enhancer policies, but I thought that Creatine was a banned substance. Obviously I'm wrong or the Sports Media would have been going nuts.

IMO, I don't think I want this kid playing for Buffalo.