What will the AJ haters do...

[ffmfinfan]

give him a chance

with Jay there was no more room for improvement. At least we know that with him we couldn't reach the big game. Lots of heart - limeted talent

With AJ at least we have a chance. Right know I think he is at the same level as Jay - but with a chance to improve.

Give him a good line, good coaching and a little time and we know how good he could be. In FA you won't get your immidiate QB of the future - at least no cheap.

Obviously Saban thaught that Rogers or any other QB wasn't worth the #2 pick - therfore he went with AJ and Gus

Let's give them a try!

 

[jlfin]

What do you mean truth is I know next to nothing about Feeley? How is this the truth? How can you even say something like this, you don't even know me. I've seen Feeley play a lot and Losman has yet to start. At least I have some basis of criticism. You Losman bashers have nothing.

You haven't seen Feeley in a stable offense. The Dolphins offense last season was the epitome of a dysfunctional system. You could not assess anyone this offense based on what happened last season. In fact my criticisms of Fiedler don't stem from his performance from last season, but rather his performance 3 seasons ago when RW led the league in rushing and the Dolphins had a top 5 defense. I saw a QB who could not move the offense through the air even when opposing defenses had 8 in the box keying on RW.
I don't know how old you are, but do you remember Archie Manning? I think he was as good or better than many of his contemporaries including Griese and Bradshaw. Unfortunately, he was stuck playing for the god awful Saints in the early to mid 70's. Bradshaw and Griese got to play behind HOF caliber O-lines. Archie Manning is never mentioned as one of the games great QB's. Would his fortunes been different if he had been drafted by Shula or Noll?

 

[feeleyrox]

When feeley plays well for us. keep in mind he does not have to play to a probowl level for us to be successful. im just wondering what all you haters are going to do then, are we still going to see all the feeley sucks posts and blurbs in peoples sigs and such...we gotta get over marino, like pitino once said " bird mchale and parrish arent walking throw that door folks" danny boy unfortuntely isnt walking thru the door anytime soon, so lets supports the guy we have

THANK YOU!!!!!! my search for someone who beleives in Feeleys potential as I do is now over!!!

 

[PhinBeck]

I think the better, more relative question is what are all you AJ lovers gonna do when Brock and Sage beats out AJ, and he is cut. Don't worry about all those AJ haters. They will be OK when the season starts and Gus is the starter.

LOL So you are sayin you will run and hide? Thought so.

 

[ffmfinfan]

He may not be a pro bowler but with a good line he could be decent

and why couldn't Miami have the next surprise QB?? There is so many storys of QB that before a season nobody talked about...

Warner, Brooks, Brady, Hasselbeck, Delhomme, Big Ben... I mean they all were good before - just not great. I'm hoping for a similar thing here in Miami.




Come on - dreaming is OK - isn't it ;-)

 

[dolphinman23]

Hell yes I think Gus can do a hell of a lot better. hes already proven in Minny he knows linehans system (118 rating and 7/2 int ratio over 3 games); hes proven he can manage a game without gift wrapping it for the other team, he can throw a better deep ball, his mechanics and pocket awareness are better. So ya theres nothing he cant do as well or better than AJ except throw pick 6's.

As far as the rest of that rant:
1) Our HC was an idiot no argument there and there was definitely a struggle for power between he, trestman and sullivan.
2)As far as RW and D-Bo, we had all of training camp to prepare for that. Injuries are never an excuse. You play with what you have and leave it on the field the lack of effort and fundamentals there was obvious all around. However you misspoke on Ogun; he was traded for Booker which if anything would have helped the offense. The D was playing like crap even with Timbo and Chester. Either way how are you relating those 2 to why AJ blew last year?
3) AJ showed few if any signs of being a starter. He threw a half dozen pick 6's (most in 1 season by a qb; and thats in limited time), he showed poor pocket awareness, poor decision making, an inability to read coverages especially underneath and he just made some flat out dumb plays like the throw vs seattle that was pick 6'ed with under a minute to go. Hes been in the league long enough to know you dont throw the ball while being sacked. That play was plummer esque only AJ was so bad last year that being Plummer-esque would be a compliment.

Finally dont mention qbs like brady in the same breath as AJ. They make the players around them better. Guys like Brady make their team better. They make due with what they have and improvise accordingly. For instance if you know your OL sucks dont force a play; throw it away or run with it dont just chuck it up there. I dont think Gus will take us to the SB but hes a hell of a lot smarter and hes experienced. I do think he can get us to 8-8 or 9-7 though and post a good TD/Int ratio. His career numbers arent impressive but theyre way ahead of AJ's and something obviously clicked for him in minny cause he played very good football.

minny had a very good Oline and a very good WR(i think his name is moss)
dolphins had worst oline ever in dolphins history, and a run first offense...

so breaking out that stat gun to show how awesome ferotte was in 3 games is worthless, and then saying i cant look at his career stats? lol

and to answer more of yoru rebuttals

2)we had less then amonth to prepare for the departure of one of the, if not the best runner in dolphins history. now if ricky retired during the offseason and not the day before training camp then yes you have a argument but the gameplans all year under whinestache were the same as if ricky was in the back field, so yes that is a reason why were were bad, and yes having a horrible run defense was another reason we were bad last year, i was stating why the dolphins were bad last year, not why AJ was.

3)everyone of your bashes against him were caused by a poor Oline

poor pocket awareness (what pocket?, olines fault)
and the rest is due to him being green, coaches and oline..

its a catch 22 to be a QB, when your winning u get all the credit, and when your losing u get all the blame...

which is why i played defense in HS and college

so according to you AJ shouldve thrown every ball away and then played the "its not a bad thing to punt"-whinestache, plays, he was trying to make plays, and when you have pressure in yoru face every play its really hard to have yoru team score, especially since it was 3rd down every time he got a chance to pass...

again placing blame on AJ for the failures of our offense is wrong,

reasons offense sucked

1)bad coaching
2)bad oline
3)bad RBs

with those things fixed next year, (fingers crossed about the Oline), AJ will only improve..

now the ferotte debate

1)lets play devils advocate and say ferotte is better, he will also be 34 once the season starts, why start a 34 year old career back up instead of a unproven younger guy?

2) we are not going to the playoffs next year, we are rebuilding, we will go 7-9 or 8-8, we have the hardesr schedule in the NFL, so why start a 34 year old who wouldve retired if we didnt pick him up?

if ferotte was more like warner, and we had a opportunity to go into the playoffs then yes, it would be a good reason to have him start..

however, we are 1-2 years from playoffs, do u want a 36 year old QB leading your team? or a 30 year old who progressed into a decent QB.

last year was a bust for everyone, it sucked, but AJ is the last one to blame on that offense, not first, and saying Gus(shiver) can play better shows no football knowledge, Gus was brought in in case AJ gets injured, he is familiar with the offensive scheme and will be able to come in in relief if needed, but i bet my new wife AJ starts this season, and does better then fiedler ever could

 

[BlueFin]

When feeley plays well for us. keep in mind he does not have to play to a probowl level for us to be successful. im just wondering what all you haters are going to do then, are we still going to see all the feeley sucks posts and blurbs in peoples sigs and such...we gotta get over marino, like pitino once said " bird mchale and parrish arent walking throw that door folks" danny boy unfortuntely isnt walking thru the door anytime soon, so lets supports the guy we have

This is a tired post, first of all there are no haters of AJ, some may see his talent differently than you right now but that doesn't make them haters.

I'm sure most doubters of AJ will gladly admit they were wrong if AJ proves himself to be something greater than the mediocre QB we saw last year.

And finally, none of this has anything to do with Marino, and I'm tired of people like you saying it, every fan of every team wants good quarterbacking out of the player playing the most important position on their favorite team.
Its just plain ignorant to suggest people critical of the mediocrity that was Jay Fiedler or what we saw of AJ Feeley last year somehow can't bear to see anybody but Dan Marino or someone that great playing for us................Right now I'd be real happy with a QB that simply threw more touchdowns than interceptions on a consistant basis, something we haven't seen since the nineties.

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

I don't really like the term haters. I don't hate AJ. Just because someone does not think he proved anything last year, he is labeled a hater. And just because you think he did, your a hugger! I hope he does well! But I do have my doubts! He has a lot to prove. I saw more from AJ that I did not like last year, then what I liked.

If he proves himself to Linehan and Saban and starts the season, then I will back him just like any other Fin.

If Gus beats him out, then this will most likely be his last year in a Fins uniform.

 

[Noodle Arm]

Oh no...don't do this. Don't you see where this is headed? It's going to be 10 pages worth of "A.J. sucks!...""No he doesn't!"...Yes he does!".

Yep, I was right (as usual :tongue: ) Keep it up guys...let's make it to 10 pages so my prophecy can be fulfilled! :D

 

[PhinBeck]

Looking like unquestionable trash seems to come naturally for AJ.

Seems reading between the lines is not a skill you have devloped Boik. Since when did you become so cynical? On Espn you used to be very levelheaded.

Feeley didnt play well, but how is it NOONE who dislikes Feeley seems to want to factor in the overall picture? Worst pass blocking I have seen in years, no run game, a ridiculously stupid and predictable playbook and gameplan, offensive coaches infighting, no consistency in gameplans. A qb that had a total of 13 games experience between college and pro's is expected to carry teh offense. ALot of pressure to put on a inexperienced qb. AJ did try to do way to much and forced balls he had no business throwing. Also you attribute absolutely every int on him. Prove BEYOND ANY DOUBT AJ was single handedly responsible for every int for 6 he threw, can you? Also if you know for fact AJ will not improve and be good, I would love to be enlightened. I dont guarentee AJ will be good, I am not sure one way or another. I like the potential AJ has, but potential and fullfillment of that potential are 2 diff things. I think he may, but recognize the possibility he doesnt. You seem to think your position is teh only valid position, which is completely false.

 

[djfresh47]

minny had a very good Oline and a very good WR(i think his name is moss)
dolphins had worst oline ever in dolphins history, and a run first offense...

so breaking out that stat gun to show how awesome ferotte was in 3 games is worthless, and then saying i cant look at his career stats? lol

and to answer more of yoru rebuttals

2)we had less then amonth to prepare for the departure of one of the, if not the best runner in dolphins history. now if ricky retired during the offseason and not the day before training camp then yes you have a argument but the gameplans all year under whinestache were the same as if ricky was in the back field, so yes that is a reason why were were bad, and yes having a horrible run defense was another reason we were bad last year, i was stating why the dolphins were bad last year, not why AJ was.

3)everyone of your bashes against him were caused by a poor Oline

poor pocket awareness (what pocket?, olines fault)
and the rest is due to him being green, coaches and oline..

its a catch 22 to be a QB, when your winning u get all the credit, and when your losing u get all the blame...

which is why i played defense in HS and college

so according to you AJ shouldve thrown every ball away and then played the "its not a bad thing to punt"-whinestache, plays, he was trying to make plays, and when you have pressure in yoru face every play its really hard to have yoru team score, especially since it was 3rd down every time he got a chance to pass...

again placing blame on AJ for the failures of our offense is wrong,

reasons offense sucked

1)bad coaching
2)bad oline
3)bad RBs

with those things fixed next year, (fingers crossed about the Oline), AJ will only improve..

now the ferotte debate

1)lets play devils advocate and say ferotte is better, he will also be 34 once the season starts, why start a 34 year old career back up instead of a unproven younger guy?

2) we are not going to the playoffs next year, we are rebuilding, we will go 7-9 or 8-8, we have the hardesr schedule in the NFL, so why start a 34 year old who wouldve retired if we didnt pick him up?

if ferotte was more like warner, and we had a opportunity to go into the playoffs then yes, it would be a good reason to have him start..

however, we are 1-2 years from playoffs, do u want a 36 year old QB leading your team? or a 30 year old who progressed into a decent QB.

last year was a bust for everyone, it sucked, but AJ is the last one to blame on that offense, not first, and saying Gus(shiver) can play better shows no football knowledge, Gus was brought in in case AJ gets injured, he is familiar with the offensive scheme and will be able to come in in relief if needed, but i bet my new wife AJ starts this season, and does better then fiedler ever could

Jay had a very good W/L record. Aj is just as too blame as anyone else on the Phins, and because he's the QB he's gonna get the credit or the blame, regardless if that's fair. I don't think Gus was brought in just in case Aj got hurt, or else I believe Aj would've been named the starting Qb. I'm not a basher/lover or whatever people are labeled, but if ya could help me out, what other teams could Aj start for? I get possibly Cleveland and that's it. And for the Losman/Feeley comparisions, I think Losman is going to be a very good QB, he's been in Buffalo the whole offseason working with Mularkey, but saying JP is going to be terrible for no particular reason than he plays for the Bills seems a little crazy IMO.

 

[dolphinman23]

i was watching NFL network and they talked about losman and how he only took a week off after the bills season before he was back in buffalo trying to learn the offense...

now attitude or not, thats something leaf never did, and confidence and ****iness is a very fine line, hate to agree with the bills here, but losman has more upside then leaf ever did, add to that he had a year to learn under bledsoe(he USED to be good ), and he might do well, that or he will get humbled,

 

[dolphinman23]

Jay had a very good W/L record. Aj is just as too blame as anyone else on the Phins, and because he's the QB he's gonna get the credit or the blame, regardless if that's fair. I don't think Gus was brought in just in case Aj got hurt, or else I believe Aj would've been named the starting Qb. I'm not a basher/lover or whatever people are labeled, but if ya could help me out, what other teams could Aj start for? I get possibly Cleveland and that's it. And for the Losman/Feeley comparisions, I think Losman is going to be a very good QB, he's been in Buffalo the whole offseason working with Mularkey, but saying JP is going to be terrible for no particular reason than he plays for the Bills seems a little crazy IMO.

what teams could ferrotte start for?

im not saying AJ is the next marino, but between him and gus, feeley has more going for him, i still think we draft a QB next year, nick could only fix so much this offseason

 

[PhinBeck]

Originally Posted by Boik14
Hell yes I think Gus can do a hell of a lot better. hes already proven in Minny he knows linehans system (118 rating and 7/2 int ratio over 3 games); hes proven he can manage a game without gift wrapping it for the other team, he can throw a better deep ball, his mechanics and pocket awareness are better. So ya theres nothing he cant do as well or better than AJ except throw pick 6's.

As far as the rest of that rant:
1) Our HC was an idiot no argument there and there was definitely a struggle for power between he, trestman and sullivan.
2)As far as RW and D-Bo, we had all of training camp to prepare for that. Injuries are never an excuse. You play with what you have and leave it on the field the lack of effort and fundamentals there was obvious all around. However you misspoke on Ogun; he was traded for Booker which if anything would have helped the offense. The D was playing like crap even with Timbo and Chester. Either way how are you relating those 2 to why AJ blew last year?
3) AJ showed few if any signs of being a starter. He threw a half dozen pick 6's (most in 1 season by a qb; and thats in limited time), he showed poor pocket awareness, poor decision making, an inability to read coverages especially underneath and he just made some flat out dumb plays like the throw vs seattle that was pick 6'ed with under a minute to go. Hes been in the league long enough to know you dont throw the ball while being sacked. That play was plummer esque only AJ was so bad last year that being Plummer-esque would be a compliment.

Finally dont mention qbs like brady in the same breath as AJ. They make the players around them better. Guys like Brady make their team better. They make due with what they have and improvise accordingly. For instance if you know your OL sucks dont force a play; throw it away or run with it dont just chuck it up there. I dont think Gus will take us to the SB but hes a hell of a lot smarter and hes experienced. I do think he can get us to 8-8 or 9-7 though and post a good TD/Int ratio. His career numbers arent impressive but theyre way ahead of AJ's and something obviously clicked for him in minny cause he played very good football.

You mean teh 4 games jhe played in relief? Way to discount his other years he suked as a starter. Admittedly not on great teams, but better offensive teams than what AJ played with last year. Defend that realistically and I will be more apt to buy what you say. Sorry but 4 good games in a relief situation is diff than being teh starter that defenses gameplan for.

 

[BlueFin]

Jay had a very good W/L record.

No, the team had a good won loss record, Jay was a mediocre QB with a top defense and for his first three years here a solid running game.

If Jay had been a top ten QB this team would have gone much further the first couple of years he was here.