What will the AJ haters do...

[Spiff]

Regardless like I stated before a Qb is gonna get the credit or the blame. I agree Jay was a very average Qb, but the team played well under him and when he was injured there was a significant dropoff.

Exactly. And don't forget that Dave Wannstedt was Jay Fiedler's only Head Coach in Miami. Who knows what he could have done with a "real" Offense?

 

[PhinBeck]

Exactly!!

I don't hate AJ, but it will take alot to convince me he can be a good QB after his play last season. I am not expecting much from him but hopefully at the end of next season I am praising him.

Just because people don't think every player that puts on a Fins uniform is the greatest that doesn't make them haters, it makes them realists. I know that there are some people that are hoping AJ fails at the expense of the team, yes these people are haters, but I would bet a majority of us want the team to win first and worry about who we do an do not like 2nd.

I do believe many people that do not like AJ have valid points and can express them as such. My only contention is when teh opinion comes out as an undebateable fact and that any body who thinks AJ has some potential is stupid.

 

[jesusfreak26]

I think AJ has reached his potential. He's a mediocre QB. Anything can happen obviously, but Feeley does not strike me as a guy who is, or will become, a good QB.

It's hard getting over HoF QB's. The bills have yet to find a QB that was even close to the level that Jim Kelly was on. Hopefully Losman will be our next HoF quarterback.

I don't see how you can say that A,J, has reached his potential. I mean he played 5 games for Philly and started 8 games for us last year, and that is basically since high school. Yes he is 27 or 28 but he hasn't had the NFL game experience to say he has reached his potential. I saw an improvement in him throughout the season and since the season ended, I have watched the Monday Night game against the Patriots a few times, not just because we beat them, but to just watch and see the decisions he made that game. I was very surprized. I am not saying Feeley is or ever will be a Hall of Fame QB but to say he has reached hi potential is like saying Losman has and he hasn't.

 

[phinsforever]

Be careful what you wish for.

He has no attitude problem. Either you are an ultra conservative or you are talking out of your behind. TO and Moss have a "MAJOR ATTITUDE PROBLEM" I can't really argue with you because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. You are a homer in the worst way. Putting down other teams players for no other reason than them playing for a dolphin rival is utterly ridiculous. You, nor anyone else knows how Losman will do in the NFL. However, his work ethic and promise are undeniable.

LOL. Please, I've read a few of your posts and have found them nothing more than uninformed trash. You come onto this site posing as some knowledgeable football fan, but you offer nothing but biased and foolish opinions. Losman is going nowhere fast. Jills fans will be pining for Bledsoe to return. As bad as Drew was, a lot of his sacks were due to the fact that the O-line was pathetic at pass protection. You lost your best pass protecting O-line in the off season, and I don't see any of the new additions making an impact. The Jills are back in their perennial "rebuilding mode". Good thing you guys signed Holcomb; he'll be starting by week 8.
It was bad, painful actually, having two fools in Wannstedt and Spielman running the ship here, but all that has changed. As long as Tom "Diarrhea of the mouth" Donahoe is running the ship in Buffalo (the armpit of America), your team is going nowhere. It's one thing for a Pats fan to be talking smack, but seriously, you are a Buffalo Bills fan-a fan of the biggest choking team in NFL history.There is no more point responding to your drivel

 

[feelthepain]

For your guys' sake I hope Feeley plays no worse that average. It's a real stomach turner to see you've got a very good and competitive team led by a very weak QB. After watching Bledsoe for 16 games I wouldn't wish this fate upon any team, except for the cowboys who picked his lowly *** up.

How is it most Bill fans think PJ is a future superstar with no expierence and AJ sucks with very limited expierence??? It's like you fans only see what you want to see to base your opinions. You don't see all the other things that went wrong last year, like Ricky quitting,or a whole new Oline or a rookie OC. I never see any of you post about that when your telling us how bad AJ sucks, If your going to post, why would you post things that sinply aren't true?? Or they are only part of the truth? Seems some of you try to write like you know what your talking about but I've yet to see a Bill fan post in the real world here. I know your tired of losing and you wish you had a better team, but coming on here and posting things like "AJ sucks" and really believeing it... is a sad view of your world. If any fan of the fins believes AJ sucks after only one season is an uneducated person.

That kind of fan doesn't watch all the games or only looks at the end result. If we were talking about realestate or banking the bottom line would be all that matters, but since AJ is not the whole team or coaching staff then the blame can not be placed solely on AJ. If a fin fan does watch every game and is aware of why things transpired the way they did, then they just hate Feeley, in which case I would not listen to a word they say because they only see what they want to see, just like Bill fans. Bottom line!!! The whole team can be blamed for last season not just one player. But to be honest I'll place the blame where I believe it's really due. On DW. He is the one who didn't give AJ a fair shot to start, he is the one who promoted C.Forester, He is the one that refused to make halftime adjustments, he is the one who refused to open up the O, he is the one that thought it was ok to score 10 points a game and let the D hold!!! I could go on, but if players aren't given a chance to win they will fail. Thats why AJ struggled last year.

If you want to be naive and think this will be the same enept team as last year, well enjoy the next three months because when the season starts and we play to the level we were before last year, then you'll have to see once again the fins as a real threat in this division and it will be business as usual. I don't care if you like it or not, if you look at what happend to this team last year and the poor level of coaching then you'll see that we were not as bad as our record would indicate add to that the upgrade in coaching and the talent brought in through FA and the draft we will be tough again this year. Those are the facts

 

[ffmfinfan]

either way - I like the season start soon

with AJ or Gus - I lke the dolphins get a W in the first week! ;-)

 

[dolphinman23]

So now blame Frerottes stats on what he had and used well as opposed to what AJ had and failed to use? Childish argument.
- Miami's OL was no worse than Cleveland or NYG who didnt even have the 1 respectable OL we had (St Clair).

i never used anyones stats, u were the one prancing them around, and yes our Oline was as bad as cleveland (they went 4-12 too,) and ST clair might not even make the team this year, so obviously he isnt that good, and NYG might have a bad line, but tiki had a pro bowl year, while we had a horrible rushing year, and again neither of those teams are the vikings, whom had a good oline, good RB and great WR corp, all things we lacked last year.

- I never ever said you couldnt look at frerotte's career stats; i said they blow away aj's which they do. And they arent spectacular but hes way better.

do i need to respond to this jibberish? ok... ferotte has been in the league for 13? years, feeley has played 12 games in his entire career, so obviously ferotte is going to have more TDs and yds, thats means nothing, are u telling me vinny testaverde is one of the best all time QBs? well he is in the top 5-10 in passing yards, so by your logic, yes he is.

- Losing RW was important; no doubting that. But we still had time to adjust though. On a good team 1 player being lost does not mean the end of the world. We failed to make use of the pieces still in place.

you must be high. Ricky was our whole team, he was the reason we went 9-7 the year before, and yes, with a ricky-driven playbook, and unqualified coaches, his loss was the end of the world last year, we had all our RBs run ricky plays, which is why alot of them got injured, he was the foundation for our entire offense(not saying it shouldve been that way), and when he falls so do all of the "pieces"

- How in the blue hell does poor decision making fall on the O line? Or his inability to read coverages? Or his stupidity? Lets get something straight; the person who throws the ball is thereby responsible for what happens to it. The OL does not throw the ball, they merely snap and block. Aj f'ed up therefore he deserves the bashing.

if AJ has .5 secs to throw the ball, when other QBs can get 7, yes blame for plays not being able to develop does ride on the Oline, and yes the person who throws the ball is responsible for what happens, but when balls are bouncing off receivers hands, then what? is that AJs fault too?

- As far AJ being green; hes been in the league, what, 3-4 years? He went to college and performed mediocore at best there while losing his job to Joey Harrington after waiting behind Akili Smith (LOL @ waiting behind Smith). There comes a point when you have to accept that a player sucks. For Aj and myself that time is now. Ive accepted that; if he proves me wrong ill be even happier.

he didnt play any games chief. practice only gets u so far, u need to go out there and play to get REAL experience.
and yes joey out played AJ in oregon, why do u think he was a first rounder?, and akili smith was ALSO a first rounder, these guys were great in college which is why they were drafted in the 1st round, he didnt lose the job, they were better back in college, college and NFL are 2 completely different things, and AJ played very well in his stint in college, which is why he was drafted, lol, i mean if he sucked in college why would anyone draft him. Leinharts backup was drafted this year, man he must suck, WTF were they thinking
/sarcasm off

Frerotte:
- Who cares if hes 34. Rich gannon didnt bloom until way into his 30's. Ditto Doug Williams and you can even argue Phil Simms (who I grew up watching and enjoying) didnt bloom until later. At this point he doesnt need to be a late bloomer to beat out AJ; just be efficient and playing mistake free ball.

32 other footballs teams care he is 34, and he isnt in the same ball park as any of those QBs, LOL, didnt u get made cuz i placed brady and feeley togather and now u are doing the same..he is a career back up, and all of yoru posts alwasy say, "he was great in relief"
which is what will happen here, he will make a fine back up

- No one is saying Frerotte is the long term answer but I do think hes a significantly better short term answer than AJ. We may not be a year or 2 from the playoffs; if we can play good mistake free football (something saban emphasizes) then theres no reason we cant get there this year.

if u think ferotte can lead us to the playoffs, your crazy, im not saying AJ will, but our better chance is with a younger stronger armed QB

- Actually what shows no football knowledge is your little wall of excuses you built for AJ. It shows that you pick and choose the stats that suit you and help you manipulate the argment. Instead of seeing that Gus clearly played surperior football last year you choose to ignore the fact that Minny had its own problems like no RT (rosenthal hurt) no C (Birk was hurt), nothing great at Guard (david dixon..shiver).

again i didnt use any stats except gus age, WTF are u talking about? lol
and yes in guss 4 games he played last year in relief he waqs probowl material which is why we signed him to a high contract, since the demand for him was so high.

and the vikes oline problems cant hold a candle to the dolphins ones, sounds like u are trying to make excuses, lol.

-Finally you show you nothing at all about the events of this offseason; Saban stated bascially the day after that Gus was to compete for the starting job and at no time announced a starter or a front runner for the starting qb position.

um i never said anything about this, so i guess that means i know nothing? thats weird.

Feel free to admit you've been owned.

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
please let me know when u planned on doing this, KTHXBI

 

[TheMadPorpoise]

When feeley plays well for us. keep in mind he does not have to play to a probowl level for us to be successful.

We've heard this before with the Jay Fiedler Experiment and that lasted five agonizing years.

I agree that cutting Feeley in the offseason would have been rash. Considering the draft pick we gave up for him, he deserves the benefit of the doubt as well as every chance to prove he was worth trading for. He has a strong arm and is tough, two things that can't be taught. Hopefully he will turn into a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback.

However, if Feeley doesn't play to a near Pro Bowl level in the future, then the A.J. Feeley Experiment will be a colossal failure. We gave up a 2nd round pick, which in essence is a low 1st round pick considering where we drafted. You don't spend a 1st round pick on a QB who is a caretaker, which is what your post implies. We had a sub par QB and he could only take this team so far. A.J. Feeley was brought in to compete for the starting QB (and win it), but he was so awful in practice that he even made Fiedler look good. We then find out that he has started fewer games in his career than your average pee wee league qb has.

Scott Linehan's offense is very aggressive and designed to score a lot of points. So please don't rehash the "QB is a caretaker not a playmaker" mantra. Wanny is gone and so is that philosophy.

 

[rainmaker1313]

Listen, I just talked to the man upstairs, he said Feely will throw for 3479 yards, 27 TDs and 16 INTS. Miami will go 11-5 and make the playoffs!

 

[Boik14]

Never said he wouldnt, but you tell me why the same doesnt apply for AJ? You discount the poor results Gus had when he had to carry the Bengals as playing behind the eight ball so to speak but completely ignore that AJ faced teh same, only his o-line was worse than Frerrottes in Cinci and he didnt have Corey Dillon running behind him either. Never mind the FACT that Frerrotte was allowed to walk away from how many teams?

Because Frerotte has shown competantcy at every stop except cincy. So i can discard 1 bad stint (for the old bengals that put 0 effort in to those teams no less) when hes had 5 stops were hes performed not great but respectable. Aj on the other hand set records that I dont need to tell you about and aside from the debacle of qbs in cleveland (who Id flame even worse except there was no FT starter after Garcia went down in like week 6) Aj was the worst Qb in the league last year. Yes I even think he was worse then Quinn in Chicago.

 

[Dolphan_B]

Celebrate the miracle...

When feeley plays well for us. keep in mind he does not have to play to a probowl level for us to be successful. im just wondering what all you haters are going to do then, are we still going to see all the feeley sucks posts and blurbs in peoples sigs and such...we gotta get over marino, like pitino once said " bird mchale and parrish arent walking throw that door folks" danny boy unfortuntely isnt walking thru the door anytime soon, so lets supports the guy we have

I have no problem supporting the QBs we have. Frerotte would make a good starter followed by Rosenfels...

 

[LithoMan]

Winning cures all. But, you'll still probably find the morons that would rather see him fail and lose, then play well and win...just so they can say 'I told you Feeley sucks...' There's always idiots like that. I for one hope he blows up this year. I like the kid.

I for one, think Feeley is a 3rd stringer, but the one thing I dont want, is for us to be in QB turmoil, so all the hindsight bootlickers, that didnt realize they were routing for a loser, and towed the line for feeley, feel stupid, and start chanting to get an even worse disgrace at QB. that would be Matt Leinart. That is the last QB i would want in Miami. So, I hope Feeley does just good enough to keep his spot in Miami, and not get all you chanting for an even more worthless QB in the 06 draft.

Will it happen, probably not, and then we will be in prime position to grab a bigger flop then the turd we got now. More then likely, Ferrote will be starting after the bye, and then all I will hear, is "grab Leinart, he's our next savior" just like Greiseball, feeley, and blah blah blah.

 

[Boik14]

Seems reading between the lines is not a skill you have devloped Boik. Since when did you become so cynical? On Espn you used to be very levelheaded.

Feeley didnt play well, but how is it NOONE who dislikes Feeley seems to want to factor in the overall picture? Worst pass blocking I have seen in years, no run game, a ridiculously stupid and predictable playbook and gameplan, offensive coaches infighting, no consistency in gameplans. A qb that had a total of 13 games experience between college and pro's is expected to carry teh offense. ALot of pressure to put on a inexperienced qb. AJ did try to do way to much and forced balls he had no business throwing. Also you attribute absolutely every int on him. Prove BEYOND ANY DOUBT AJ was single handedly responsible for every int for 6 he threw, can you? Also if you know for fact AJ will not improve and be good, I would love to be enlightened. I dont guarentee AJ will be good, I am not sure one way or another. I like the potential AJ has, but potential and fullfillment of that potential are 2 diff things. I think he may, but recognize the possibility he doesnt. You seem to think your position is teh only valid position, which is completely false.

I dont think my position is the only valid position RRO; I just dont appreciate people trying to change my opinion. If someone does it to me Im going to do it to them. If i feel like posting it 20x, ill post it 20x. People dont need to agree with me to make me feel like Im part of the board. I love this franchise as much as anyone here and it kills me to see us do awful like we did last year. But I know a sh!tty football player when I see one and for the most part I try and remain optimistic. I dont try and change anyones mind; I just retort BS when it comes my way.

I still prefer to be more optimistic than pesimistic but based on what I saw from AJ last year I simply cant find a reason to have faith in him as a starting Qb. I dont wish him to do bad; hes a phin and im a phin fan. You know this though. Sorry if that bothers you; but if you saw me post on ESPn then you know Im stubborn as heck too until Im proven wrong and that doesnt happen very often. People can throw out whatever stats theyd like but it doesnt substitute for actually seeing the games.
As far as the rest of the stuff RRO, I have no beef with you so ill just respond:
Contrary to popular belief the pass protection in cleveland was even worse and the protection with NYG was equally as bad until Coughlin started going to more max protect schemes where he had to keep Shockey in (sound familar like what McMike went through at various pts?).
I dont feel Aj was expected to carry the offense; just be serviceable. And he couldnt handle it. If I saw the team doing better with him or him improving Id be more optimistic but I didnt see it. i saw a Qb that couldnt move the ball vs cleveland (Claveland bro! They were playing worse then us!); I saw a QB that looked like a deer in headlights and was simply lost. He cant read LB coverages, he doesnt make accurate throws, and he has no awareness. Go dispute that. You simply cant if you watched the games.

Was there pressure on AJ; sure was. Especially from the media and fans. This franchise's fans were certainly spoiled by Marino and while I realize not every qb can be Dan, just remember I defended Fiedler to no end in 03 when the offense was averaging 27 ppg over the 1st 6 until he went down vs denver. So I dont need to be told about believing in a qb; I just need a reason to do so.

Finally as far as AJ's Int's: The only time its not the Qb's fault is when a defender makes a spectacular play. Thats just how I judge INT's just as when its always the qb we compliment when he makes a good play. I didnt see many spectacular plays vs Aj last year. i saw alot of gifts. I saw a lot of stupid plays. The game vs seattle, the game vs Cincy; the list goes on and on.

Can he improve and possibly turn it around; Ill never say its impossible. Its too strong a word. I hope he does. We invested alot in him. Hes got a decent arm and hes got some guts but that only takes you so far.

Im sorry if I dissappoint you with my pessimism on this 1 man but I dont like the guy; never have never will. I dont like negativism usually; I feel it only leads to a negative reality but what can I say? I dont trust him in a big spot to make a play and I dont believe hes got the goods. If Im wrong I have no problem saying Im wrong.

 

[Avalanche of Wins]

at least weve got no shortage of opinions...im curious, how many of you have any actual football experience, specifically at the qb position, regardless of level or age...im willing to bet the majority who do will be on the side of feeley , considering the happenings of last year..

 

[Boik14]

Seems reading between the lines is not a skill you have devloped Boik. Since when did you become so cynical? On Espn you used to be very levelheaded. QUOTE] Also as far as reading between the lines; I felt like chiming with whatever it was I said. If it struck a nerve well thats not something I worry about RRO